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RX-8 Recall: "We will not walk away from any Mazda Owner"
Submitted by Dan Mazzella on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 2:00pm

RotaryNews.com has confirmed that there will be a recall on the 2004, 2005 and some 2006 Mazda RX-8s. Not every RX-8 will need a new engine, only those that fail a series of tests, including a new vacuum test. The replacement engines will correct for issues ranging from flooding, hard starting, complete loss of compression, and use of Synthetic Oil in hot climates. For those that do not require an engine replacement, the ECU will be reflashed to provide for more lubrication (an already released Flash). Recall notice letters will be sent out to owners on a staggered schedule. At this point some dealers do not know about the recall, as the bulletin has not been sent.

Jeremy Barnes from Mazda Public Relations stated: "We will not walk away from any Mazda owner." Jeremy also pointed out that other issues that have escaped on the Internet as of late were only part of the story. He hopes the recall action by Mazda will show owners that Mazda is doing the right thing after all.

We at RotaryNews say, if you own an RX-8, check over this list of TSB's (Click Here). If your car is experiencing any of the issues listed on that page, print out the ones that apply to you, and bring them down to the service department while they check your car for the other recalls. We, at RotaryNews also say: "if in doubt, do NOT use Synthetic Oil." For those of you that are "Rotary Gods" (!) and know what you are doing, it is OK, other wise stay away from synth, and use the good old Dyno Juice.

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What I don't understand
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April 16, 2010 - 5:31pm
I just bought a second-hand RX-8. Now I'm kicking myself in the bottom for not having seen this site before I purchased it.
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Mazda RX 8
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March 7, 2010 - 11:45am
AS I am a 20 year old and I bought my dream car in Nov. 2010 (2004 Mazada RX 8 and three months later I was on my way from Tallahasse to Gainesville to have my check up ( recovering cancer patient)the engine blew an mazda says it's due to low oil and will not cover it under the warranty. it's funny through because I was starting to have all the warning signs of the recall and can someone tell me why the dealership i bought the car from would not have told me abouth this and why they would not have told me that you need to put oil in the car car at least once a week this seems kind of strange I have never heard of a car needding poil once a week have you and then they tell me it is going to cost 8,600 dollars to repair and by the way I checked the oil before leaving tallahassee and I had oil I am beside my self and don't know what to do
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Son's dream car
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August 5, 2010 - 11:36am
My son just bought a 2004 Mazda RX8 in December. He loves the car, but was driving on a busy highway in the left lane when a serpentine belt that drives the water pump broke. He manuevered to the left lane and stoppe 1/2 mile down the road. He shut the car off, had no indication of overheating or problems other than he had a battery light and the AC wasn't blowing cold air. He shut the car off immediately. Now Mazda is saying that he drove it HOT and that he destroyed the engine. Since when does a good car not allow you to drive 1/2 mile to get to a SAFE stopping spot without burning up the motor. In my opinion, and obviously the majority of Mazda owners, this car is a piece of JUNK. Mazda should be ashamed and also held liable. I will never buy a Mazda and I will do all I can to discredit and keep others from buying Mazda products. I'm seeking legal advice but I don't know how far that will get me.
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Mazda RX-8 Engine failure - not honoring warranty
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July 30, 2010 - 3:10pm
I am going through the exact same thing. I have owned my 2004 Mazda RX-8 since June of 2006. I am now 22 and since I purchased my car it has spent much time at the dealership to fix the many issues. The car has been towed to the dealership 4 times for engine flooding each time leaving me stranded at college without a ride to work or class. My car would be at the shop for days. The battery, clutch, and engine was replaced in February of 2009. At the end of June 2010 I was driving on the highway home from college and my engine went out. I had it towed to the dealership and they said it was engine failure, but because it "ran out of oil" it would not be covered under the warranty. My car has now been at the dealership for almost a month while I have tried to figure out what to do. I have been to 3 different Mazda dealerships none of which have every told me about the oil consumption issue with the rotary engine or that I should check the oil level when refueling. My oil was changed in March at a Mazda dealership and was within the recommended oil change schedule in the manual when the engine went out. I now am having to take out a student loan in order to pay for the engine to be replaced so I can have a form of transportation that will hopefully last throughout my last year of college. I believe that Mazda should stand behind their warranty instead of causing such hardship on customers. If anyone has a similar issue with regards to Mazda not honoring their warranty or issues with engine failure due to low oil please contact me - CDA6788@gmail.com. Any information on your situation would be extremely helpful.
Thanks!
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My Story 2004 RX-8
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September 27, 2006 - 10:54am
I got both of the letters from Mazda. I took my car into the dealer to reflash the PCM. (Powertrain Control Module) The car was running ok and seemed to have great power. I just love to turn off the DSC after a light rain :) Anyway, they flashed it, changed the leading spark plugs and called it done. (Guess they did not road test it) I left the dealership, drove for about 2 miles to my home and noticed NO power at all in 2nd gear full throttle. First gear was a bit sluggish as well. Starting was very long and laborous, and in general I felt like they hooked something up wrong, maybe crossing plugs or something. I took it back right away. They called today, and said that the engine had failed their testing and Mazda had authorized a replacement engine. They gave me a rental and told me it would be about a week or so before they were all finished.

I have owned a few rotary cars in my day, taken apart a few engines too, this sounded a little strange to me, however this car is under warranty so I figure why not. I guess I am a little concerned about the resale value with a "mana" motor, but in the past when I have seen people that used to get those motors at the shop I worked for, were fine. They were new/rebuilt at Mazda's engine plant in NC and for the most part worked well. I don't intend to sell the car anytime soon, or maybe not at all until they come out with something better.

As for the synthetic debate, my owners manual states to NOT use it. However in all of my old school cars, and even in the 90 Model, I use Mobil 1 and I got 386,000 miles out of the 84 RX so....Who knows, I know that the metering pumps lube the apex seals and I figure synthetic does a great job there, but how well does it ignite, and when it does maybe it jacks with the Renesis electronics in some fashion. I have been using Valvoline for the 8 just so I would not void anything by chance.

In general, I love this car, it's fast, it handles like a dream and since it's a non turbo car, I hope it will last a long time. I have 28,000 miles on the motor now, and I figure the new one will be new so...

I would like a more detailed description of what kinds of testing are being done if anyone out there knows..

Chris

Rotary Cars Owned:
74 REPU
76 RX-4 2 Door
76 RX-4 4 Door
79 RX-7
84 RX-7 GSL-SE
90 RX-7 Convertible
04 RX-8
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Mazda sent me a letter about
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September 10, 2006 - 6:04am
Mazda sent me a letter about the powertrain warranty being extended to 5 years/60k miles, but nothing yet about the recall. I don't expect to be affected as I've had no problems with my MY2004 (after 30 months of hitting redline on every drive).
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"We will not walk away from any Mazda Owner"
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August 31, 2006 - 6:47am
"We will not walk away from any Mazda Owner"

Wow, tell that to the 4750 Mazdaspeed Protege owners who have problems after problems after problems that Mazda refuses to fix. I'm really glad for the RX8 owners that they're doing this, but for those of us who bought the peices of trash that Mazda tried to pass off as their first Mazdaspeed attempt, Mazda turned their back and left us in the dark. I used to really like Mazda, and I have owned many Mazda cars: '85 RX7, '88 10AE RX7, '92 Miata (with supercharger), '92 Protege, and now a 2003 Mazdaspeed Protege. I just can't support Mazda from now on, sorry.
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Mainmike reply
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September 2, 2006 - 4:51pm
Has anyone that the owns a 2004-2006 Mazda RX-8 and falls into the impending Recall/Recall's had any luck with Mazda's Dealerships or the Customer Information Telephone Line or contacting Mazda Via the "Contact Us E-Mail Information or posing a FAQ" I have done both/any and all with absoultely Zero information other than wait for the Owners Notice to be mailed to you in 30-45 Days. I feel like Mushroom in the dark if you can understand that! Come on Mazda It is no great secret, it is all over the Internet, but having a conformation and a plan of action to resolve these issues.
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RX-8 Recalls
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August 28, 2006 - 2:22pm
I contacted Mazda about the future recall of the RX-8 2004-2006. I even made an appointment to have mine looked at (even though I only have 1000 miles on it). I called the Mazda information line and was told they could not talk about the possibe recall and what vehicles it will impact, Mazda in my experience has always been a little less than cooperative when dealing with the customer after the sale. I appreciate the fact that Rotary News cuts the red tape and supplies the owners with creditable information. Please keep the knowledge flowing.
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Thats appears to be a cheap s
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August 26, 2006 - 2:49pm
Thats appears to be a cheap shot at Fred- im suprised at you Dan.
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That is funny! It's tongue in
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August 30, 2006 - 5:17pm
That is funny! It's tongue in cheek Charlie.

So basically if you "know what you are doing", synthetic is safe but if you don't know what you are doing, it's not. Sounds good to me. Of course the key is to know which synthetics work good and which ones don't. This is a blanket statement that while technically shouldn't include all synthetics, because there is an issue with at least one of them, the legal department needs to cover every possibility. That's why it is the way it is.
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dont get me wrong Its really
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August 26, 2006 - 4:00pm
dont get me wrong Its really funny:)
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Owner of RX-8 Shinka as of June 04 2006
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August 26, 2006 - 5:00am
I should start off by saying this is my first Rotary powered vehicle. I have been reading some comments and suggestions on Rotary engine care Do's and Do not's. I have to say I am a little overwelmed at the amount of problems owners have come across over their tenure of ownership. Examples: Syn Vs Traditional 5W20 Engine oil, the later seems to be the winner (mine only has 750 miles so far) I haven't had to change the oil yet, just top it off with a good Traditional 5W20. And what does Flashing the ECU entail, what's a ECU? What does it controll? Another big problem, Cold starting or flooding seems to be a huge occurence, yet I haven't had a problem (Knocking on wood). I have read when owners wrote that after their first oil change the car seemed to lack the power it had before, I'm hoping it's just in there heads. One last concern, when did most of you owners get your oil changed the very first time, surly you didn't wait the Mazda's 5000 miles or even the 3 month 3000 miles. I might drive 3500 to 6000 miles a year but don't want to wait 5 or 6 monthe between oil changes. Any practical ideas?
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Owner of RX-8 Shinka as of June 2006
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August 28, 2006 - 4:38pm
I have a 2004 RX-8. I'm positive the people having problems are real; however, there are
some of us who are enjoying every freakin moment we drive these cars. I use mine as the
main vehicle, the grocery getter. I have not had the flooding problems, yet I know how
easily it could happen, my car has started at zero degrees in the middle of winter, yet I
know a car with low compression won't. All I'm saying is enjoy your car, don't be afraid to
rev it, keep oil in it, don't wait for the oil light to come on, remember oil in a rotary is a
coolant, if its low it hinders cooling.
Your car is running good, great have fun. Tune in to Speed channel & watch StarMazda
and GrandAm Cup. Follow the Speedsource Racing team which last year took the ST
championship.
I'm not concerned when they call for my car. If there is a problem they will take care of
it.
In 2002 I purchased a Saturn L200. Because they did not fill some manual transmissions
to the right oil level, they called my car in to replace the tranny. Under their policy,
I returned the car and purchased a L300. In two weeks the crank belt pully snapped.
They replaced the car with the same exact model and I never had one problem with the
car and I sold it to a friend.
Enjoy your car, if there's a problem contact your dealer. Do not have them looking for
phantom problems, they can butcher a car replacing unneeded parts.
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Synthetic OILS
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August 26, 2006 - 2:40am
I have been telling you know all yanks for 2 years NOT to use synthetic oil in ANY Rotary....but, no all these SO called Rotary Gods know more than Mazda Japan.....and now you guys expect new motors for nothing.....typical.....MNAO should also be held to account for not correctly prohibiting their dealers in using or recommending synth.

I don't care what ANYONE SAYS...MAZDA JAPAN...I REPEAT JAPAN have NEVER recommended the use of Synthetics for everyday use in their rotaries....period.
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ENGINE RECALL
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August 26, 2006 - 9:05am
Simply there should be a sticker located on or near the oil fill cap stating no synthetics.
And don't forget it's cheaper to use conventional oils.
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RX8 recall
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August 29, 2006 - 10:07am
If Mazda doesn't want you to use synthetics, they need to put that in their owner's manuals. Although we've only used regular oil, we got a new engine at 10K miles. It went in last week and the new one is a remanufactured one, further decreasing the car's resale value. The dealer had no idea about the pending recall - they're one dealer of 4-5 in our county and they've replaced "a couple" of engines already.

You can say all you want about the wonders of rotaries - our experience is that they're problematic and unreliable and anyone who accepts the annoyances as "part of their charm" has way too much time and money on their hands. We need a car that runs and is reliable. An RX8 isn't it.

Mazda accepted a certified letter regarding our dipleasure about 12 days ago - still haven't heard squat from them. I can't wait for them to prove to me that we aren't going to be thrown to the curb. I want them to buy this lemon back.

BTW - here's one way of filing a protest: http://dogbitemusic.net - look for the song "I Got Zoom Zoomed by my RX8".
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I beg to differ with you "vapor"
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August 29, 2006 - 5:21pm
I was in on the early pre-buy. My car was delivered to me in Oct of '03. I currently have 45,400 miles of trouble free driving. Not one single problem to date. Mine is the 6-speed manual, and I drive it like a sports car - not like the grocery store car. I exercise all the intake ports every day. The problem that I see, is that Mazda should have never brought an automatic to the marketplace - that was just wrong. The auto version took all the mystery and fun out of revving through the gears while spinning the eccentric shaft up to redline. And the old diehard RX7 owners and enthusiasts bashed us.

My engine is strong - and my master tech says that I will pass this recall test with flying colors. That's because I drive the car the way it was meant to be driven. I use the whole RPM range in every gear. Nice job Mazda on bringing the rotary back to life. Now just get the MOP profile correct and be done with it.

Kevin
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Well said Kevin.. The RX8
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September 2, 2006 - 5:02pm
Well said Kevin..

The RX8 is and always has been an enthusiasts car with 4 seats, they are not a car that you drive around in at under 3500 RPM ALL the time, you will be looking for trouble if you do...they are meant to be revved...

There are plenty of forums to EDUCATE one on what to do and how to drive it...learn about a product before you buy...otherwise don't buy it.
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BINGO
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October 20, 2006 - 9:09pm
You hit the nail square on the head. DO RESEARCH ON SOMETHING BEFORE YOU BUY IT. And to that one guy, sell your 8 before you put anymore 5w in it.....dingo.
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New RX-8 owner
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September 19, 2006 - 9:23pm
Wow. I just bought a new RX-8 (6 speed man/ touring ed.) Saturday and am totally crapping my pants after stumbling onto this site. I thought I had done my research about the RX-8 and thought that since it had been a Road & Track 10 Best Auto that it was a slam dunk over another Audi A4. Are all RX-8's going to need a new (remanufactured) engine at some point if you are expecting to keep it a while?
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Rotary Engines....
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October 20, 2006 - 9:05pm
I have owned 2 rotary powered vehicles, a S3(1988 RX-7 GXL), and a S4(1990 RX-7 GTU). My S4 would sit at 9500 rpm(red line said 8 but the motor knew that it could eaisly surpass that) and would not faulter. It loved being pushed that hard. Bolth had over 200k on them when I was finished with them and they bolth ran like champs when I was sold them. I have a friend who owns a S3 '88 10th anniversary 7 of witch is turbocharged and it runs as if it was brand new. The only major thing he did to it was a new turbocharger and that is because the factory twin-scroll turbos kill over at about 90-110k. Another buddy has a RX-8 and has had no problems with it since he got it
(used). Here is the key....they are all manual trannies, NEVER USE SYNTHETIC IN A ROTARY unless you are a complete moron(why would racing beat, sevenspeed, and countless other royary sites tell you not to, i mean they must be right because that is all that they do), and please drive a sports car like a sports car. If you buy a car with a 9000 rpm red line, by golly, why wont you use it? And to those guys that got thier wife a 8, teach her how to drive like a boy racer or you will be the guy complaining that "Oh, rotaries are so unreliable, and ive done everything thar i should have" I also live in nebraska, but mine started everyday reguardless of the cold.
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A lot of you are fucking morons
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October 20, 2010 - 11:31am
okay listen. i have a 88 rx7 its amazing. i redline the shit out of it and ive never had problem with the apex seals melting or any mechanical problems. Mazda makes solid cars and yes every now and then they have problems with a line. Synthetic oil is an obvious no no people. Rotaries burn oil by design if you hadnt noticed and synthetic oil isnt ment to burn. it leaves a residue that clogs up the engine. why the hell would you buy a rx7 7 or rx8 without looking into the rotary engine a little bit. they are awesome engines, simplar and way cheaper to rebuilt if you ever have to. you just have to find someone who knows what they are doing. if you dont know shit about cars dont buy rotary you'll just fuck it up and get pissed at mazda for it
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