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Mazda expects to recall RX-8s
Submitted by Berny Herrera on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:16pm


Update:RotaryNews.com Has Confirmed the recall. Click Here

Source: Automotive News
Automaker: Engines failing vacuum test must be replaced

MONTEREY, Calif.
-- After suffering a black eye from disclosing that it won't count RX-8 owners' opinions in its internal customer-satisfaction scores, Mazda says it may have to replace the engines in many of its flagship sports cars.

The voluntary recall of all 2004 and 2005 vehicles, and some 2006s, is expected to be announced this week or next. It involves damage to the catalyst resulting from oil leaks in the RX-8's rotary engine.

Any engine that does not pass a vacuum test must be replaced, said Robert Davis, head of product development and quality at Mazda North American Operations.

Engines prone to failing the test are mostly in hot climates and use synthetic oils.

Mazda also will check each RX-8's battery and starter, which tend to fail in cold climates.

"We're going to give these cars the white-glove treatment," Davis said. "We would rather replace the engine than have the dealer crack them open."

Davis would not disclose the projected failure rate of the engines or the cost to replace them.

Mazda has a remanufacturing center in North Carolina that will rebuild faulty engines and return them to service.

The recall comes after a video Webcast by two dealers who attended the July 11-13 National Dealer Advisory Council meetings in Newport Beach, Calif., was leaked on the Internet.

In the video, dealers said problems with the RX-8 were unfairly lowering Mazda customer-satisfaction scores.

Mazda informed the dealers that RX-8 owners would continue to be surveyed, but that the responses would not factor into dealer
customer-satisfaction scores. See story here

Mazda has issued service bulletins on such trouble spots as squeaky
brakes and engine flooding.

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MY Daughters 2004 Mazda RX8
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May 3, 2010 - 10:51am
This is the car she wanted!!! BAD Choice... We have had nothing but problems!!! The compression is low the electrical system caused her anti lock brakes to stop working 3k later still having promblems. Took it to Mazda they say SELL IT!!! Wow that is standing behind their product!!! Can someone give me some insight on the recalls????
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Re: 2005 Mazda RX-8 recalls
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February 8, 2010 - 1:45pm
Where is the recall? My son has had nothing but problems with his 2005 RX-8. It has 35,000 miles. The first instance they said his engine barely passed the compression test. No new engine was allowed. Now, 6 months later, darn thing wouldn't start at all. Had to be towed. This time? coils. They want to decarb the engine. They accuse him of not following the owner's manual. He knows how to read and he knows how to drive. A bomb could hit and he would make sure his car was warmed up before it left the driveway. They told him this car was not driven for pleasure at short distances! What? I asked HQ if this was disclosed at the time of purchase? No answer.

$1400 later, still no results. What a piece of garbage! Too bad they don't follow Toyota's example and recall the cars so no one will get hurt. I guess the engine will have to either implode or explode to get any satisfaction.
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I'm so tired of people callin
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December 14, 2010 - 11:31am
I'm so tired of people calling the rx8 garbage. I have 73xxx miles on my Rx8, I'm on the original engine, my compression is perfect, my car runs great, I've never had a problem with the car besides replacing the clutch, which my friend burned out and I had to do usual maintenance like brakes, plugs, wires ignition coils, etc. Just because you warm up the car doesn't mean you're taking care of it. That just protects the apex seals. Also, you bought your Rx8 used if it's a 2005 and your son has it in 2010, I'm guessing it's used.
Did the original owner take care of it? If you're having that much problems, chances are no.

Which Oil does he use? How often does he check his oil? Does he premix? Did you replace the plugs, wires, ignition coils? Are you running at least 91 octane? Does he redline at least once a week to get rid of carbon? It sounds like your son has an automatic too. 4port engines have a lot of problems with starting. Did you get check to see if all the recalls were up to date?

All cars have problems, mercedes, bmw, everything.
I've seen rotaries with over 200,000 miles on them, if maintained.
If your 13b needs to be replaced, it's only about $2,300 for a new engine vs $8,000 with a standard piston engine car. Don't forget that.
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We have had nothing but probl
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May 3, 2010 - 10:52am
We have had nothing but problems.... You are right it is a piece of gargage!!
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My RX8
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September 17, 2009 - 5:50am
Hey there,

So I bought a used 2004 RX8 about 2-3 years ago. It flooded a few times, but it wasn't a big deal. I recently found out that all RX8's should atleast be warmed up before turning off, to avoid the flooding issue.

On another note, my RX8 got to a point when it couldn't handle long distance, or being stopped at a light with the ac on. The entire car would start to shake and eventually it would stall. Fortunatly, I was on my way to the mechanic when this happened. They assured me it was due to excess carbon build up on top of the engiene and that it was taken car of. I drove around the block, and it was still shaking.

Finally, the mechanic got in and it stalled on him twice, they decided to keep the car for the weekend. Turns out I got a new engine for FREE! Still not quite sure what the exact problem was, but I definatly recommend going to a mazda delership.

Other than that, my RX8 has been great :) and I love mazda!

Does anyone have any special reccomendations on the care of my car?
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What Dealership did you go to
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May 3, 2010 - 10:54am
What Dealership did you go to? My engine compression is low and when my daughter is at a red light it shakes too.... Help???
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Nice post , thank you for sha
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August 10, 2009 - 3:07am
Nice post , thank you for sharing .........
Perth Limo Hire
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This is fair play from Mazda
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July 21, 2009 - 11:26am
This is fair play from Mazda and as a customer I remember I was treated with great respect when my Mazda dealer announced me about the recall. My car underwent a technical check and fortunately it didn't required any engine replacement.
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I really can't say that my '0
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September 26, 2006 - 6:11am
I really can't say that my '04 RX8 (manual, 30K miles) has been a problem. It does drink a lot of gas, but that's the only think I don't like about it.

However, on 20 Sept., I could not get it to start. I called the dealer who towed it (free) and did the recall. They replaced the starter and battery and gave me a loaner for the day. All for free (which one would, of course, expect). As fate would have it, on 23 Sept., I received the recall notice in the mail.

All in all, I'd have to say it was a minor inconvenience, but not something to get my shorts in a wad about.

My dealer has been excellent. The Service Manager told me from the start to avoid synthetic oil. He also said to "let the horses run" because the engine likes to be red-lined. Good advice, apparently.

My wife thinks the front passenger seat is uncomfortable (the hump on the left side bugs her), but I think the car is great. I've owned many different cars since the early 70's (Honda, Subaru, 2 Toyotas, 3 Olds, Chevy, Ford, 2 Buicks, Triumph, Austin-Healy, and 2 Mazdas), and the only car I liked more was my '90 Miata (150K miles with zero problems, only replacing the timing belt at 60K and 120K, the clutch at 125, and tires at 85K).
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2004 RX8 Problems
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September 18, 2006 - 11:44am
My wife has a 2004 RX8 with Automatic Transmission. (I know, I know, I couldn't convince her to go with the 6 speed) We live in Atlanta, GA which does not have extremes when it comes to the climate. With approximately 24k miles, our 8 has been towed 6 times. It is being towed as I write this comment. We have found if we go away for a long weekend or not drive it for a few days, it will not start. This has happened from month 4 til now, less than 2 years. The causes and fixes have been many. Initially it was spark plugs, then battery and flooding, flooding, starter and flooding, plugs and flooding again, battery again. It's flooded now and the de-flooding procedure they told me about did not work today. I envy those of you that have had no problems. It is a fun care to drive and we wish it was more reliable. Mazda has been excellent about fixing the problems and getting the car back within 48 hours. That is the only thing that is keeping us from really having a bad experience. The service is superior. Good luck with your "8". Keith
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One of the lucky ones...?
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August 29, 2006 - 12:13pm
I have a 2004 RX8 and with the exception of one recall I have had no problems with my car (with the exception of it being a gas guzzler). However, this is a second car for me and it only has 20K miles on it (It's my weekender). I will be curious to see if and when the car gets called up for a the test.
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engine recall
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August 23, 2006 - 2:15pm
I had my original "engine of the year" replaced and the replacement engine failed too. Mazda used a reman engine in my 25,000K car! Now I have engine number three (3) and its making alot of noise too. The dealer offered me $16,000 for it. Talk about diminished value; even they don't want 'em. Sad.
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engine recall
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August 23, 2006 - 5:24pm
I'm an old rotary engine veteran, the RX-8 is my 6th rotary engine car. Sometime ago
while discussing the use of synthetics in rotaries, I mentioned an article when Mobil 1
first hit the market asking would it be alright to use in a rotary. I have searched my saved clippings and can't find the article, but I recall the writer stating that the metering pump
had to be adjusted. They adjusted the pump to max and only got the minimum needed
lubrication. This sounds pretty close to the present problem doesn't it?

I'm sorry about your engine problems and personally feel your replaced engine should have been a new one from Japan. Also the warranties should now be extended to 100k & 10 years on all rotaries.

There is no reason to panic, if Mazda doesn't make things right for for the affected owners, there will be class action law suits as there were in the 70's.

I love rotary engines and as Jay Leno has stated, "These engines are addicting!"
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2d engine failure
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August 24, 2006 - 6:34pm
I don't use synthetic. I only use 93 octane and document every transaction. Unfortunately, class actions hurt the company by costing tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands ?) in legal fees but rarely benefit the individual consumer. Most end in coupons or checks for a couple of bucks. Lawyers make plenty. I know, I am one. My 2004's service history: Air Bag recall, broken seat adjustment, Plastic center console plastic piece replaced, Brakes squeal, Seat adjustment loose, Rear window lock will not lock. All before 15K!! At 15K they had to Reflash PCM amd Replace defective pads and machine rotors. Seat guide trim loose again. Passenger side seat belt rail replaced, Another Recall on PCM, Installed Insulator, Recall on ball joint. Fuel tank recall. Seat part loose again. Changed evaporator pump. Recall ball joint check. At 22,837 mi. 8 days in the shop all week for metal on metal noise. R&R PCM. At 23,779 (14 days)engine clanging noise again. Constant ticking noise since PCM. Put in new engine, vac injection, new plugs, new battery and starter. 06/07/06 (1 day) Anti-feeze on garage floor. Check for coolant leak. They see no problem. . . 07/27/06 (14 days) odom 26,847 engine was smoking and spewing water when I got to work. 2d engine blown too.

What's to love with this POS?
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2d engine failure
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August 25, 2006 - 12:47pm
My wife just bought a 06 RX-8 new a week ago and I herd about the possibility for a recall. After I told her that it's a slight possibility that her car might need a new engine she was livid about it and I know regardless of the outcome of the recall she's is going to hate this car. Does anyone have any advice on getting out of this car after only owning it for 12 days?
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Mazda's Got a BIG Problem
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August 24, 2006 - 8:08pm
We just got our first new engine at 10K - we're supposed to pick the vehicle back up tomorrow. We've had several problems over the 2 years we've owned this car, including several reflashes, one engine flood requiring a tow last winter, and about 6 other non-scheduled repair visits. The vehicle's never been very fast and rides like a prarie wagon. For 30K I think the thing's a piece of junk and I'm not a happy camper.

This is my wife's vehicle and she based her purchase on how the vehicle looks. No research, no extensive test drives. I was nervous given Mazda's dance of death with Ford and the RX8's unproven reliability at the time we bought it, but she earns a paycheck too and deserves to buy what she wants. So we purchased this rotary oddity and had a list of 3-4 things needing fixed before we even made it home. After 2 years of ownership I feel like we're financing some Mazda / technical shool R&D experiment - it's the worst purchase we've ever made.

Did I mention the paint's cheap, the interior's cheap, and we had to spend $1200.00 for wheels and rubber so we could drive it the first time we had 1/4" of snow on the roads. The only persons going to get $$$ from the ineveitable class action suit(s) are the attorneys - P-llllease! That's no solution. If you think their value is low now, wait a few months when the engine recall is common knowledge. I've found absolutely NO advantage to rotary power. It's expensive, unrelaible, and apparently not very durable.

I told my wife she needs to dump it ASAP - not a problem since she's even fed up with all the problems. Cars are supposed to be useful, not needy. The depreciation on this thing is going to be brutal. I would have had more fun taking $10,000 and burning it in my front yard. Really.
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Apparently It's A Love/Hate Thing
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September 7, 2006 - 7:42am
My '04 GT Automatic was delivered Nov. '03. There have definitely been some problems, fuel efficiency being a major complaint, but I still smile every time I drive it -- and will likely buy a second one.
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Mazda does NOT have a BIG problem
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August 30, 2006 - 5:55pm
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing your wife's car was an automatic, right?
Mazda should have never brought an automatic rotary to the masses - that was the problem. Mine has been flawless for over 45,000 miles so far.

I think you should buy your wife a Honda.
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