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Mazda Kabura Concept at NAIAS: "This one isn't Rotary"
Submitted by Dan Mazzella on Sunday, January 8, 2006 - 3:24pm

Day one of the North American International Autoshow (NAIAS) brought us the unveiling of the long awaited Mazda Kabura, a 3+1 seat piston powered concept coupe. The concept shown at the autoshow is not rotary powered, but the comment from Maury Callam was "this one isn't rotary powered." Mazda needs to make a business case for making this car in a rotary powered version, and it won't happen without your input. Take a look at our day-one photo gallery of the Mazda Press Conference and booth, (Click here) then leave your feedback. There needs to be a flood of messages, even if the message is short, it will count.

We will have more coverage of the Detroit Autoshow tomorrow, including more technical information on the Kabura. Click through to see images from today.







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Should be a Rotary !!!
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January 21, 2006 - 1:42am
That is one beutiful car, but hell it looks good enough to be the new rx7 with a 20b size renisis :o) . Please mazda make it so !

Shaun (MRC)
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Mazda Kabura
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January 21, 2006 - 1:02am
Beautiful concept. I especially like the side view but am very dissapointed there is no rotary engine.
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GO TO MAZDAUSA.COM PLEASE
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January 17, 2006 - 2:22pm
Hey people, make sure you are putting your comments on mazdausa.com, click contact us and leave a comment.
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January 18, 2006 - 7:36pm
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MUST be a Rotary!!!! Nothing More Nothing Less....
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January 17, 2006 - 9:24am
That see thru hood compliments a Rotary Perfectly. Mazda please stick to your Roots!!!! I WILL buy one even if it cost more than the RX-8!!!

1993 RX-7 (Montego Blue/Tan Touring)
2004 RX-8 (Brilliant Black/Black GT package)
2005 Yamaha R1 (Raven)
200? Kabura/RX-7????
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Mazda you must build this!
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January 17, 2006 - 8:25am
Mazda would be crazy not to build this. Please keep this car lightweigh, RWD and price it at around $20k and it will dominate its segment! Build it and it will sell.

There's even a forum started by enthusiasts of this car already. They've started a "Dear Mazda, please build this thread" - http://www.kaburaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11

Contribute and maybe Mazda will see be convinced when they see your posts here and there.
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sweet car
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January 15, 2006 - 12:29pm
once again mazda has generated much excitement with its design elements. however mazda forgot the rotary engine. I am surprised that mazda has not invested the resources to make the rotary engine fun and practical at the same time. I saw an rx-8 guy at the shop the other day wanting to know how to make his 8 faster. why has the 20b not been more developed? I would think even a N\A 20b would make enough power to have more fun even in renesis form. please mazda, shrug off big daddy ford and do whats right.

rory
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Why isn't it wankel powered
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January 15, 2006 - 6:05am
Why isn't it wankel powered
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Keep the 3+1 layout and put the rotary in it!
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January 15, 2006 - 4:43am
A fixed-roof Miata that has 3 or 4 seats without any extra weight and a shorter wheelbase than the RX-8's? Awesome!

The 3+1 seating layout is an excellent idea (why didn't anyone think of that sooner?), but include an airbag kill-switch so one can carry two kids without using the tiny seat.

If you put the rotary into this thing and keep the price close to $20k, every male under the age of 40 will want one. Why would anyone get a Civic Si, Scion tC, Cooper S, or any other FWD sport compact when you could get a practical, balanced, and lightweight 220+ hp RWD car on the cheap?
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Kabura
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January 14, 2006 - 9:08am
Mazda may have 'discovered' a new niche! I like the 2+1 seating and the pocket door (can you say "Kaiser-Darrin"?). I think a market exists for a car much like this one. Younger (and younger-at-heart) drivers are looking for something different. Look at MINI sales if you don't believe that.

Suggestions: Market it in two levels, a 2.0 piston base city car and an "R" version with the Renesis. Call it the RX-3 if you like (it's NOT an RX-7), but make the piston version the X-3 (or something similar). Add a luxury version if you must (LX-3?), but don't make us buy that to get the rotary.

Accessories: I'm well aware that 'package' marketing makes economic sense, but it drives customers nuts!! I've been looking at a Mazda3 5 door for a work car, but I can't get the good headlights without all the lux stuff, which there's no way I'll buy. Make the accessory groups smaller and the pieces more related.... PLEASE!! Finally, stay the course and use analog gauges and speedometer. Not everyone knows the correct operating ranges for various systems, but we can all see a needle in the red zone!

Styling: A nose with RX-8 cues makes sense. The see-thru hood is a fun touch, but I don't know how practical it is. The extended windshield would actually keep me from buying the car. Speaking personally, I don't like high windshields or sunroofs. The rear end needs work... round lights like the RX-2 and RX-3 would look much better.

Final comment: Build it and they will come!
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Play it smart
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January 12, 2006 - 5:22pm
Piston in various trim models

Rotary in Top trim level with 280-400 ps
- Make the handling worthy of the name RX-7
- Make it competetive with all the other potential Japanese supercars

Make people OOO and Ahhh the rotary version. This will get all the kids hyped up (like the VTEC craze) and idolize the rotary powerplant. Thus increasing demand gradually over a number of years, which in turn keeps prices unbloated, and allows Mazda to match supply with the demand.


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-Tim Lui
'93 RX-7 TT
'87 RX-7 TII
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Wow, but it needs a Rotary !
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January 12, 2006 - 12:04pm
As the title says, Wow, but it needs a Rotary because this car already looks like a natural progression from the RX-8 and because of this it really needs a Rotary ( Sorry guys did I say that before!!).

Seriously, the feed back we have had about the RX-8 which has been a huge success over here in the U/K is that people have mainly brought their RX-8 to be that bit different and this applies to the fact that it is not just the way it looks but that IT IS ROTARY.

If this car goes into production without a Rotary I feel that Mazda will wander off of a now proven path that they have found with the RX-8 and send this car into obscurity and will only make a few sales if its piston powered, as the car would be regarded by the general public as "just gimmicky" and not a forward thinking "new" and different mode of transport that Mazda proved to the general it can build when they introduced the RX-8.




All the best Clive
President MRC
Clive@Mazdarotaryclub.com
www.Mazdarotaryclub.com
www.MazdaRX-8Club.com
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Needs more rotary
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January 12, 2006 - 8:05am
C'mon Mazda! This car needs a rotary. Why sell the company short like this? The rotary engine is the symbol of Mazda.

Give us an RX-3 or RX-7. Either one I don't care so long as it handles like it runs on rails and it has a rotary engine. Put a rotary in this car and it will take its proper place in my driveway along side my RX-8.
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Rx7 is the ultimate car for passionate drivers.
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January 12, 2006 - 12:14am
The Kabura is a beautiful and innovative car. But what we are all waiting for is the next Rx-7 with a rotary engine. I have owned a 1979 GLC, a 1980 Rx7 and still drive a 1993 Rx7, if a new Rx-7 would be made available, I'd buy it.

The Rx-7 is insanely popular in the younger generation. It is unbelievable that the Rx-7 has a cover on one of the import/tuner car magazines almost every month.

The Rx-7 is a car that is in every racing game (Need for Speed, Project Gothem etc.) and it is not set at the low end, you need to almost complete the game to unlock it, that is how much the perceived coolness of that car is even though it is now over 12 years ago since you could buy one.

The desire for a new Rx-7 is huge. When I wash my Rx-7 people still often confuse it for a new model car and ask me about it. Strangers just come up to me and tell me while I am parked or refueling, to tell me they love the car's styling or else that they owned one or always wanted to own one. No other car I know about generates that kind of passion.

The styling of the Kabura could be refined into a body shape for a new Rx7. I am glad the Rx-8 exists, the Renesis engine is an awesome piece of technology. I am also amazed how many Rx8s are running around in my area.

To some degree it seems, the return of the Rx-7 is hampered by the success of the Miata. The Rx7 and Miata technically fill the same market segment, but they do not appeal to the same people.

Women love Miatas and Men love Rx7s.

What needs to happen is that Mazda needs to produce the Rx-7 with a more powerful version of the Renesis engine, either through larger displacement, a 3rd rotor, turbos or what have you but it should break the 300HP. It should also be a pure 2 seater. IT needs to be reliable, and hopefully the Rx-8 can be used to solidify the renesis.

I would love for the Rx-7 line to include a version with the option to run with the Hydrogen version of the renesis, make this a option so that it kicks in when lugging around town, I would gladly pay extra for it. With a pure 2 seater there is room behind the seats for that extra tank.

The styling of a new Rx-7 should recall the 3rd gen Rx7 but be updated, avoid the crome and other bling-bling and produce another timeless-organic and elegant design. The 3rd Gen Rx7 looks fast standing still recapture that. I am glad to see the Kabura, it is a strong and elegant design that could pave the way for the next Rx-7.

I am married with an 8 year old and would still prefer a pure 2 seater. I'd be willing to pay $30,000 for this car tomorrow if it existed, Mazda has always been marketing their cars at very affordable prices, but if they weren't owned by Ford, it would not surprise me if Mazda had an elite line like Lexus/Infinity/Acura or the US equivalents. And a $30,000 quality car would not stand out at all in that crowd. Make the new Rx-7 the flagship of your line.

Mazda is doing an awesome job, their profits are growing where other car companies are loosing money. I see their cars everywhere. Mazda is truely a company of innovation with the original RX7, the Miata, the Renesis engine, the Rx-8 doors, the styling across the line, and now a rotary hydrogen engine, and the Kabura concept, its very impressive.

I hope that this will all come together in the next few years to present the world with the ultimate car, the new Rx-7.
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I want one now!
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January 11, 2006 - 5:54pm
piston or rotary, if this goes into production, I'm ordering one. Make a rotary option please!
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Kabura Concept: B+
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January 11, 2006 - 5:32pm
The overall aesthetics of the Kabura: SEXY, muscular curves & presence. However, the front & rear profiles need some serious work.

The front profile looks like a mutated offspring of a rx-8, chrysler sebring (ugh!), and infinit g35. I'm sorry, but the headlight(s) symmetry, logo placement, and grill size are just way out of wack. The lines look forced, un-natural, and non-fluid.

The rear profile looks like a glorified mitsubishi eclipse & eagle talon. What's with all that cheesy plastic? It has SO much potential, but currently looks like they ran out of time and just slapped something on there. More thought & elegance needs to go into the design.

As for the engine... This car's appearance really makes it look like a member of the RX family. So, it's ironic that it is not. I find it very disappointing that Mazda has not done everything possible to make the RX the best-performing, flagship sportscar of their offerings. If a fugly 4-banger like the MS6 can outpace the RX-8, then that is truly sad.

There is so much potential for what the rotary can be. Yet Mazda has failed to deliver. If they decide to build the Kabura with a piston engine, then they might's well scrap the entire rotary line-up and just be like every other ordinary car manufacturer making piston engine sport cars. However, given the market, I think the Kabura would be SO much better received as a 300+HP rotary in a few flavors.

My Scores for the Kabura:

Concept: A-
Design: C+
Overall: B+

Don't give up on the rotary Mazda. Make the next gen RX something every other car company will gnash their teeth envying. The Kabura is a good starting point.
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Kabura Concept
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January 11, 2006 - 3:14pm
I love the look of the Kabura, it reminds me of my all time favorite car, my RX3. Please build it with the rotary engine as an option, I would buy that car.
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looks great!
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January 11, 2006 - 1:01pm
the kabura looks awesome, and it would be sweet to have a rotary powered option offered. Even a 4-port (turbo friendly?) would be sweet, with a nice manual transmission of course. The hydrogen/gasoline renesis is sweet too!
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87 and 88 RX-7 Rotary owner..
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January 11, 2006 - 12:41pm
alright i dont care if they produce the car. but PLEASE DONT GIVE IT ANYTHING TO DO WITH the name RX.. expecially the RX-7.. if its not rotary.. keep the name kabura.. if that was produced with out a rotary and had the name RX in it.. it would be a discrase to the freakin Rotary & RX. name.. if it had a rotary which it SHOULD!!! have be the RX-8 it looks kinda like an RX-8 HatchBack. ADD THE ROTARY!!!!!!!!!!!!! get rid of the PISTONS!!!!!! if you want to name it an rx-7 drop a rotary motor like someone else said slap a NA 20b. or even a 20bTT. and change the body ALOT!! and then call it an rx-7 but DO NOT HAVE IT DO ANYTHING WITH RX if PISTON powered..!!!
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both engines
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January 11, 2006 - 8:54am
this car was inspired by the rx-3 and rx-2 coupes both this cars were piston and rotary power, I think mazda should do the same.

2500 lbs, renesis power, 17,000 to 20,000 us dollars and a piston engine version for the same price.

then make the same car a 2 seeter,sexyer body,drop a NA 20b renesis in it an call it the new rx-7, 2500 lbs 290-300 hp.
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Renesis in the Kabura
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January 11, 2006 - 5:14am
Hi!

Wow, nice car! Make it light and mount the Renesis in it pleeease!
As a former miata and now Rx-8 driver I really like the Mazda philosophy of light, fun and afordable cars with style!

Cheers, Niclas!
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Piston powered Kabura?
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January 10, 2006 - 11:26pm
The Kabura has a nice shape, but with the two-liter piston engine it might as well be a Pontiac. A rotary engine would allow the car to stand out in the crowd, versus fading into it.
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Piston powered Kabura
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January 11, 2006 - 2:32am
Yes Good ol' Ford have put there big conservative beak in to ruin a good concept. Wonder if it comes standard with rattles and squeaks the parent companys vehicles are famous for?
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You forgot one thing
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January 10, 2006 - 9:00pm
You forgot the rotary engine. You put a hood on this puddle hopping buggy that displays its rotary engine with an almost defiant pride that goes with its uniqueness in the world auto market of today. This auto is light and small, yet nimble, yet powerful, full of energy and excitement. It's a rotary car! You forgot the rotary engine!
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Bring back the rotary!
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January 10, 2006 - 8:49pm
What did you do Mazda? This really should have been a rotary.
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