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Car and Driver: Electric TURBO on RX-8 in late 2005
Submitted by Dan Mazzella on Friday, June 4, 2004 - 9:37am

((NOTE, WE POSTED THIS STORY IN June 2004... THERE IS NO TURBO ON THE RX-8 FROM THE FACTORY. TO SEE WHAT WAS AT THE TOKYO AUTOSHOW SEE THIS STORY))

Car and Driver Magazine is reporting Mazda will unveil the Electric-motor-assisted turbocharger at the October 2005 Tokyo Auto Show. We give this rumor a good, about 70%, chance of being true.

This concept is the one that was first used on the Hydrogen RX-8 concept at the 2003 Tokyo Autoshow. The electric-motor-assist turbocharger is used to maximize the effectiveness of forced induction throughout the RPM range. At low engine speeds, beginning at approximately 1000 rpm, an electric motor operates to assist the turbocharger and increase induction efficiency. At high rpm, the turbocharger is driven in a traditional fashion, by the flow of exhaust gas alone.

We will have to wait to see what surprises Mazda has for us at the 2005 Tokyo Autoshow. Note that there is no Tokyo autoshow in 2004, as Tokyo plays host to a large commercial vehicle show. Expect to see more rumors circulate around the web for the next sixteen months. We will try to report on the best ones.

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subject:
So, Mazda is looking at the I
author:
No Rotor
date:
June 26, 2004 - 5:37pm
So, Mazda is looking at the IHI produced Dynacharger. I've been watching this turbo for a few years, it's perfect for a small low torque motor like a rotary. Honeywell/Garrett was going to make them but Turbodyne went with IHI instead. I hope IHI makes them reliable. A side benefit is they can use it for an alternator for less weight.
http://www.turbodyne.com/product2.html
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subject:
electric turbo
author:
No Rotor
date:
August 27, 2004 - 5:43am
I believe this is an excellent concept. Lot's of low end torque and if the electric motor is also being used to brake the turbo, not only could you get rid of the alternator but also the blow off valve (wasted energy). Also when you hit the brake the electric motor could increase the back pressure and therefore the braking power of the engine.
Considering this an electric turbo would definitely increase mileage over a 'normal' turbo.
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subject:
After reading Turbodyne's sit
author:
No Rotor
date:
July 3, 2004 - 11:08am
After reading Turbodyne's site I am starting to believe that this maybe a solution for poor fuel economy. Only time will tell?
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Re: After reading Turbodyne's site...
author:
No Rotor
date:
September 22, 2004 - 12:28pm
Be afraid, be very afraid!!! Check out the the financials and patent information here:

http://www.dieselnet.com/news/9808turbodyne.html

I would wait to see if any fraud is uncovered.

DCE-Speedy
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subject:
Very Different Technolog
author:
date:
September 22, 2004 - 4:56pm
The Technology Mazda uses is very different than Turbodyne's.

The Electric part of Mazda's turbo is an assist... like a starter motor to get the blades spinning fast when there is no exhaust pressure at low RPM's.

Turbodyne's stuff is.. well... not stuff Mazda's using.
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Re: Very Different Technology
author:
No Rotor
date:
November 6, 2004 - 6:52am
You just decribed how the Turbodyne Dynacharger operates. So how are they different? Who makes Mazdas version?
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subject:
Thanks for the clarification
author:
No Rotor
date:
October 9, 2004 - 6:45pm
That is good news. I will wait to see how the RX-8 after-market mods do over time. I don't like to pay to be a product tester.

I saw an interesting article in the November 2004 issue of Moter Trend about Pettit Racings' new super charger. The numbers actually got worse with the super chager and some of their other after-market mods. However, it seems Pettit did not have it properly tuned. They claim it delivers up to 50 HP.

Thanks again,

DCE-Speedy
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subject:
Compression
author:
No Rotor
date:
August 7, 2004 - 7:41pm
I know that for the FC 13B motors it is not good to turbo charge an NA 13b motor because of the compression ratio. NA and Turbo 13bs have different ratios and i think the RX8 might have a problem similar to this. To fix this problem you would have to bore/port the RX8s engine. That is if compression is a problem
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subject:
your right and wrong
author:
No Rotor
date:
November 8, 2004 - 2:04pm
Compresion on the last rx-7's was 9-1 on turbo, last n/a was 9.4, Renesis is 11-1, really high for turbo, but u cant bore rotary engines, u need lower compresion rotors.
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subject:
Craig"
author:
No Rotor
date:
September 1, 2004 - 12:26am
you cannot bore a 13b engine. there is nothing to bore.
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subject:
bore 13b
author:
No Rotor
date:
September 25, 2004 - 3:37am
u can actualy "bore" (im not sure what the technique is actualy called) the rotors to change the compression ratio.
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subject:
oh_taku90@hotmail.com
author:
No Rotor
date:
October 29, 2004 - 3:27am
You could 'bore out' the combustion chambers or shave off the rotor faces to essentially lower compression, but you'd also mess up the shape of the combustion chamber and might change the displacement.
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