C&D: RX-8 beats G35c and Mustang SVT Cobra

subject:	its the diplacement
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 19, 2004 - 1:04am

rx 8 lost because of the huge advantage of the cobra and g35 engine, why? 1st of all, lets look at the engine, how big is cobra and g35 engine size compare to the rotary? very bigggg right, how bout the diplacemnet, ok u said tht rotary comparable to 2.6 litre engine, tht fine but how bout the cobra have a 8 piston and rotary only have 2 rotor tht they call rotary piston, is tht fair? with only 2 rotor, rotory already produce very high power, can u imagine how much power if 8 rotor rotary can produce couple with turbo or supercharger. surely it will destroy all the engine in the world

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subject:	RX-8 vs 350Z
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

The latest CAR (a UK magazine) also has a comparison of the RX-8 vs the 350Z. Their conclusion is not very black and white though: they like both (who wouldn't? ;-), but for different reasons

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subject:	Available when?
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Any idea on when this issue will be available on newsstands??

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Well, it is over here in Sweden. Although I'm not sure anymore if it's the feb or march issue, now that your asking...
The big title is a match with the Z4 against the TT and Boxster.

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subject:	RX-8 Meets 350Z
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

This article titled "Rising Sons" was published in the March UK magazine "Car". The story was writen by Mike Duff. Quoting him he said that "these are two brilliant cars, differently brilliant but brilliant nevertheless". The negative comments were that "The 350Z has what feels like massive grip and performance after the RELATIVELY dainty, rolly RX-8". I am surprised that most of the testing of the RX-8 was done on the Laguna Seca Circuit. Having a road car tested on a race track is a fairly pointless exercise as Mike Duff points out "Why hasn't Mazda allowed it's car to be tested properly by journalists on real life road situations". I have read all the reports I can on the RX-8 however I'm still not satisfied whether this car will have the low and mid-range torque to really do justice to be called a true sports car. "I think this car is more like a four door, four seat hatchback/coupe crossover". As Mike Duff says
" Kinematics is a brutally honest game as Nissan quickly demonstrates". "Whatever the RX-8 may be it's not a hardcore driving device". He compares the RX-8 as being the difference between the 330i BMW coupe and a Porsche Boxster. The RX-8 being the BMW and the 350Z being the Porsche Boxster. Maybe Mazda should've added a bit more salt and pepper to the RX-8. Subject to the testdrive of the RX-8 it may be worthwhile waiting for the Mazda Speed RX-8, hopefully coming in the near future. I cannot understand why Mazda didn't try to match the power output of the 350Z, being 206 KW.

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subject:	... and the Mazdaspeed version
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

And the mazdaspeed version & convertible should really win everyone over.

I'm getting really physched !!!

-- vaughnc
Atlanta, GA

1989 RX-7 Convertible - Nobel White
1991 RX-7 Turbo II - Brave Blue
1989 Mazda 929 / JH Cosmo Luce - Tranquel Blue

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subject:	RX8/350Z/RX7
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Being a truly sportscar fan myself,and a rotary engine fanatic,I can understand if the 350Z is better than the RX8 in the performance/sports car department. The RX8 is like a mix between a sports and a 4 door sedan. The 350Z is a true 2 seater sportscar.I am not worried for such comparisons, (although disappointed that Mazda did not bring a true sports car up to the line...because the RX8 is to be compared to other cars like the Nissan Maxima(4 door sporty car). As soon as Mazda brings out a real 2 seater sports Mazda rotary, perhaps with the 20B engine(20B renesis technology), then, Mazda will finally show the world what a rotary is all about. The main problem to the future in the rotary engine car line is the involvement of ford motor co. in to Mazdas's business.Mazda rotary, I wish, could separate itself from Ford and create , if not an independent company, a independent division. Ford looks for ford success, not for Mazda's, and any improvements Mazda will find out(piston and rotary both) ...ford will utilize and claim as its.
Not happy with Ford's involvement.

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subject:	Thats is class
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

That's what y I call a sportscar.
(ROTARY ENGINE) Nothing else
nothing more.

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subject:	Link!
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2003/april/0304_comparo_rotary.xml

Link!

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subject:	_
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

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The negative comments were that "The 350Z has what feels like massive grip and performance after the RELATIVELY dainty, rolly RX-8".
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I don't know why they said this. If you look at the numbes they had on the 350Z from C&D - "Hot Tin Roofs" they were only able to get .86g out of the Z on the skid pad while the RX-8 held .91g. That a pretty big difference even if weather and driver favored the 8.

What that says to me is the 8 is a more refined car than the Z, which is what Mazda was trying to build in the first place.

Well, we all know that if the RX-8 can keep up with a 350Z, then the 350Z won't be able to hold a candle to a 4th gen RX-7. :D

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subject:	_
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Of course they were testing a Touring at the time on "Hot Tin Roofs". A Track version could probably grip a little harder.

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subject:	What a load of crap
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Only a total pansyboy could possibly pick a wheezing little no-torque weedwacker powered car like the RX-8 over 400hp of supercharged v-8. It's really not even close. And as usual the homos at Car and Driver got it totally wrong.

Here is the real world resuts:

#1 Mustang Cobra wins because of massive power advantage and the fact that it doesn't sound like a bumblebee from New Jersey.

#2 G35 takes second because of Mazda's horrible build quality and terrible history of rotary reliability.

#3 RX-8 distant last place because of no torque engine totally unusable power curve and historic build quality issues.

Remember Car and Driver & Road and Track are driven by ad $$$ so they are going to pick the product that they think can be marketed to the most number of people rather than the best of the bunch.

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subject:	Here is why
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Because in high horsepower applications the rotary engine fails miserably. The 3.5L v-6 in the 350 just has more beef.

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