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New Mazda Rotary Vehicles: RotaryNews predictions and speculation
Submitted by SuperUser on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:11pm

It has been rumored that Mazda would like to develop several Rotary powered vehicles to spread Rotary power across their product line. This would take advantage of and spread development cost of the RENESIS motor across a greater spectrum of cars. All these rumors and our wishful thinking, got RotaryNews speculating and predicting the future of the RENESIS motor and it's uses in different Mazda vehicles/platforms. RN recalls a time when Rotary power was available in a variety of vehicles, and we came up with some ideas based on rumors, lies and even a little fact. The fact that Mazda is really good at the front engine/rear wheel drive combination, like RX's and the Miata, and that the Rotary engine is well suited for this application, led us to some of the following conclusions: A new RX-3 Mazda might/could develop a lightweight, low price point, entry level, compact vehicle that would take advantage, of the RENESIS' newfound emissions and mileage standards. The vehicle could be made in the spirit of the RX-3 Coupe and would break away from the now all-consuming front-wheel drive entry level platforms of the market today. The car could be powered by a lower horsepower (160hp-180hp) version of the RENESIS that is easily tunable for higher horsepower, if so desired by new owners. This would hold price point and the ever-important CAF' emissions and mileage standards of the class. We feel that such a car should be priced in the 16K to 18K price range, to expose a whole new generation of young people to Rotary power. This would give Mazda a very unique vehicle for the entry market, which would definitely attract enthusiast of all types to its product line. What do you guys think of reviving the RX-3 name? It would definitely be cool to have a 'NEW' RX-3!! The new RX-7 The new RX-7 has been confirmed as 'coming soon', by a lot of industry folks and automotive publications. We cannot confirm this, but RN does know that a product has been developed and is being considered for production, but there are no firm production plans yet. But, based on our limited information and insight, gathered at a few press events and talking to industry people, here are a few predictions and thoughts on the new RX-7.

  • Larger displacement RENESIS motor with possible forced induction.
  • 300+hp regardless of the motor being N/A or turbo/super charged.
  • Lightweight (less than 2800lbs)
  • Extremely high handling limits
  • Unique styling and design
  • No compromises
Mazda understands that any new vehicle carrying the RX-7 moniker will have live up to the 3rd generation FD RX-7. We have actually been told as much by key Mazda people. They understand all of the shortcomings, and more importantly, the streghtens of the FD, and will/have addressed and/or improved on them, as to not make the same mistakes twice. The new RX-7 will be a car designed and built with the spirit of the FD, through and through! The RX-8 All we can say here is: MazdaSpeed-8! We hear that a blown version of the car is in the works as we write. No confirmation of this going into production, but the car should just plain rock! The concept has already been shown at the Tokyo Auto-Saloon, and with a little boost from a turbo or super charger, watch out! Rotary Truck One can only wish! However, there is no light weight 2x4 mini-trucks on the market right now that packs a punch. The REPU from the 70s was the origional "pickup with pickup." The B3000/Ranger have moved up-market, and have been up-sized, leaving room for a mini-truck with the RENESIS for those that needs the utility of a pickup, with Mazda's DNA, and the RENESIS. The future for the Rotary engine looks real bright at Mazda right now, and we hope that some of our thoughts, ideas and predictions, get you all thinking, the same way it did us. We'd love to hear what you all enthusiasts think of these ideas and predictions. They are really not as far fetched, as they might seem. Mazda is a car company looking to break away from the pack and we the enthusiasts, stand to win big! Please leave us your comments and input. We know Mazda is listening!

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Yes
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June 6, 2009 - 9:11pm
Its feels like this was posted just yesterday. I can't believe its been this long. RN's predictions have come to partial fruition with the 16x and all. The 16-18k price mark for an Rx3 would be a beautiful thing. Even though the economy sucks right now. I hope Mazda releases a new RE vehicle right on time when things get better.

When are we going to get new News or updates to this thread?
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i would love to see a rotary
author:
date:
October 3, 2006 - 5:32pm
i would love to see a rotary truck.. one not so "work based"
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subject:
need rx-7
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date:
June 23, 2006 - 1:05pm
i have a project for school that requires me to have a car, and i have always loved the rx-7, i wanted to mix the 12a motor and the 13b so i would have a kind of custom 3 rotoary motor with 3 t66 turbos but i will hide the third one i have seen one like it but you could plainly see the 3rd turbo i want to be able to smoke anyboday that pulls up to the light with me also i want to take on my brothers R34 skyline even though i want the skyline 390
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subject:
A new RX-3
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June 16, 2006 - 6:53pm
Just found this site. I own 3 1973 RX-3's but if this story comes to life, I can't wait to add a fourth to my collection.
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[quote=DMRH wrote: ] Now tha
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August 4, 2005 - 5:41am
[quote=DMRH wrote: ]
Now that its public, I think I can say that this RX-3 concept has been in the wings for over a year. Mazda officials from japan & USA told me about this car last year & said its part of a line up of 3-different rotary powered cars.

RX-3 will be an affordable entry level rotary car
RX-8 will continue to the series-II & series-III & beyond
???? will get a rotary option (finally) & make up the third RX powered car [/quote]



There was an Official Announcement?
Have I missed something, it's always been just a rumour like RX7!
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subject:
Bring back RX-4
author:
No Rotor
date:
November 14, 2004 - 2:29am
As an past owner of a '74 RX-4...my 1st car,and, I can say for a fact
in the past 30 years, this car stands out as my favorite. Bring it back as a sports coupe, with added luxury details, along with the new Renesis Rotary, 17 or 18" factory alloy wheels...(cant you just picture THAT in your mind!), keep it in the 16-24K price range, and this car will fly!
ATTN : MAZDA! (Think about potential sales!)
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rx3 all the way
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No Rotor
date:
October 25, 2004 - 8:03pm
I have always like the old rx3's.
The shape and style and to re-invent it would be pretty phat.
I dont see why they have'nt done it sooner, an old rx3 is pretty rare now and if you could find one you would be paying top $$$.
so i think its an excellent idear to make a new'er better one.
Its the same with the r100,rx2,rx4 all good clasical cars that need 2 be re-made.
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Hum
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October 10, 2004 - 10:42am
I think they could rather build the new RX-7 on the old FD Series 8, like the R, RS and Spirit R.
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i would like a new 7
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June 23, 2006 - 1:01pm
i like the new idea like a new type r bathurst or a few more spirit as but those shiould come with 20b's and not the renisis ones the wankel desigh gives you more power alongside three yes 3 t66 turbos.^u^ yes i am a tyre shredder i love any car i can shred tyres in 2nd gear
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subject:
Rotary Truck
author:
No Rotor
date:
August 31, 2004 - 12:00pm
Can't believe it hasn't been done yet. Rotary's have the muscle, why not use it in a truck. I've always fancied the idea of having a rotary in my Nissan Frontier to give it some punch without the weight. Over 35 years ago they had snowmobiles with the wankel and it could pull twice the weight of anything else comprable in size. It was hell-of-a work horse. If a rotary will run on natural gas, you could really have something. The need is already here for both the utility market and the tractor-trailer maket. Cars are not the only game in town but mazda power does give them an edge, don't you think!
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A word if I may.
author:
No Rotor
date:
August 14, 2004 - 1:53am
A rotory truck... sounds weak. i have been trying too get my freinds
b2000 and do a rotory swap, witch makes for a fast truck. but towing?
i think a nice prodution of "THE r26b" or somting like it, in an ALL wheel drive (maby lower reving)..naa, truck would make a nice LITTLE "HEMI KILLer" then agin this would only be my speculation.

I would like one. Please?

Rally Driver In Training
etuman@hotmail.com
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subject:
New RX-7
author:
No Rotor
date:
August 9, 2004 - 1:54pm
I'm a proud owner of a first generation RX-7, but I love the second and third generation RX-7's as well. I'd be very pleased to see a new, rotary powered RX-7. If it's reasonably priced, I may consider financing one. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

I think people are comparing the RX-8 to the RX-7 too much, which is why it probably isn't selling as much as I had expected. It's an interesting look as well, which I like...but it almost seems too big to be a sports car.
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subject:
New Mazda Rotaries
author:
No Rotor
date:
May 6, 2004 - 12:57am
On the Australian Mazda web sight under the heading Mazda models; concept, The MX Sportif is still featured. If I'm not mistaken the MX Sportif has already gone into production as the Mazda 3. Reading the article also adds to speculation. Even though the Mazda 3 is front wheel drive, so is the Mazda 6 which also features here as an all wheel drive known as the Mazda 6 MPS, a definate rival to Subarus' market hold.
We'll just have to wait and see I suppose!
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subject:
RX3
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date:
December 20, 2007 - 1:30pm
Hi. It has been a while since my comment. This is jaime ( jaimesix ). I can see Mazda has not heeded advise , and resists launching a new RX3 model. What a mistake. The problem that we have ( rotary community ) and the advantage other brands have is the entry level, entry but sporty vehicles those enterprises offer. mainly Honda, with its extensive motorsports program and with products to back it. Young drivers buy a Honda Civic, and move up the ladder within that same brand. Due to the fact that entry level rotaries ceased to exist 30 years ago, young guys today can not relate to a rotary engine, because whatever rotaries are available are far from reach. Also, by not having entry level RWD rotary engined cars ( which would have awesome performance/sport potential )... the only option today, the RX8, and the most apparent addition, the RX7, are costly propositions for younger drivers, because insurance premiums are stiffer for sports cars. I bet insurance rates for an RX3 would be in the Honda Civic neighborhood, while RX7 premiums are in another bracket.
Probably the RX3 concept meets a problem when you put together a rotary engine that is simple, nimble, but requires active participation on part of the owner in maintaining it ( oil levels, cooling system that works 100%, etc ) and the minds of drivers who buy entry level cars ( drive untill it blows up mindless humans ) , but that can be addressed by educating the drivers about two simple facts, cooling system and oil check ups. Mazda perhaps should implement a system of free oil changes on new cars for 5 years. Yes, the customer buys his oil, the dealer changes the oil for free, no labor. That would make drivers bring in their cars at required intervals, which if not, would show neglect, and, the responsability would be on the driver, not on the excellent rotary engine.
Last, but not least, Mazda should capitalize on todays enviromental concerns, and in the excellent compatibility between the rotary engine and clean fuel technology, and by clean fuel I am talking about Hydrogen, Ethanol, and Natural gas.
In South America there is already Ethanol, and Natural Gas usage in vehicles, to the point that diesel vehicles are being phased out from transportation vehicle fleets, and diesel engines as private vehicle engines are being eliminated. Natural gas and Hydrogen look to be the best sources ( ethanol is good too, but it takes away cron from human comsumption into vehicles, not that great for our tables.)

Later.

jaime.
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RX-x
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January 14, 2007 - 10:32am
I don't care what they call it, but an economical *light weight* sports coupe with a rotary (skip the turbo, but more displacement OK [16B?]) would interest me in buying a new car for the first time in many years.

Target the $16 - 23K price range. This will be tough to do with the truely light weight objective because taking off pounds costs money - that is the challenge. The MazdaSpeed 3 is an appealing car but a lighter weight rotary powered car of similar focus would be irresistable.

Did I mention that it should be light?
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subject:
New RX-7
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date:
March 26, 2006 - 7:11pm
I Like the idea of more rotary powered cars. Although I do like the movelty of the RX-7 ( me being the only kid I know with a "rotary rocket" of 19 years old (the car) me being younger) :) I just recently bought An 87 RX-7 that needed (needs) a little work, but I loooove My rotary, and would only trade my car for a mclaren f1 so I can heve some fun, and then sell it and buy another couple of rx-7's! Mazda rules!!!
My Mom has a mazda MPV '89 and it was the fastest car in my family (kinda sad) until I bought the RX-7. All Ii can say is that Mazda MUST produce a new RX-7 A 2-door hatchback with a turbocharged renesis engine in it that produces at least 300hp. and a n/a version for those who are cash strapped (me) as much as i'd love to pay 35 grand fo a car, that really dosn't seem to be wihtin reach. The idea of resurrecting the RX-3 as a small car with moderate hp and very low price is in my mind a great way to bring rotaries into the public eye not only as something mazda is known for ( the rx-8 did that) but for the younger people to be able to get a peice of that triangular pie without making payments for 20 years. As for a rotary powered truck, unless they can come up with a rotary engine with lots of low end torque (not likely) pistons will most likel dominate the truck market.
don't get em wrong i'd love to see a rotary truck rotaries rule in my mind, but they don't have the low end torque. maybe for a small pickup a rotary engine would be great, but something larger wouldn't be practical.
whew! thanks for listening to my little splurge
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subject:
Miata
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date:
April 6, 2005 - 9:56pm
Amen brother. I can't think of a better application for the rotory.
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subject:
Which Rotary?
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Personally, I'd love to see a new RX3.. and it smacks of "pepsi" marketing... the taste of a new generation. Mazda would do well to have a low price sports car with a rotary to inspire a whole new band of rotary enthusiasts.

One catch - it needs to be DIFFERENT.. and offer a much better drive than it's competitors.. give them a compelling reason to try it out. Once they do, they will never look back.

I NEVER want to see a rotary truck... This is a sports engine, and we dont need to hammer that round peg into a square hole... Mazda is scared of bad press for this engine, so lets keep it where we know it's suited.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Very interesting ideas on a RX-3 and Rotary Truck. As you mention, the RX-3 would be a great entry-level vehicle to introduce new drivers to the rotary engine. A possible mini-truck would indeed fill a gap in the market, especially as even the small trucks grow larger. This mini-truck of course wouldn't appeal to the person looking to haul a huge trailer, but rather someone looking for a fun ride with pick up utility (the Ford Ranger buyer of 10 years ago). Of course we all know that a truck chassis doesn't handle like a car, but there's room for a small "sports car of trucks" from Mazda.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
What about a rotary Miata? That could well be another entry level rotary. Guess itīd be rather easy because the next gen Miata is going to be based on the RX-8 platform anyway? Tha piston engine is the thing thats never appealed to me in the Miata. I guess a rotary Miata might steal customers from the possible upcoming RX-7 though?
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I would love to see Mazda come out with a new RX-3. I wasn't even born yet when they came out with the original RX-3 so I never got to drive one or really check one out. If they did come out with it then all of us younger rotorheads can see what we were missing.

Of course I'm just drooling over the idea of a new RX-7, but I think they should spread the model line-up out a bit; have some N/A models, and then the higher performance forced induction models (if they do decide to go forced induction).

I also think it would be pretty awesome if they came out with a new REPU. Same thing with the RX-3, all of us younger rotorheads can see what we were missing with the original REPU. It would be a good idea too because it can be a pretty sporty truck, while also having some utility. The only competiton it'll probably have is Toyota's little black sport truck ( I think it's called the S-Runner or something ). Besides, Mazda is out to make some money, and I think they would do well in that type of niche.

Sorry for the long post but I just start to write a lot when I get excited about stuff like this.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I love the idea of the RX3. I've always dreamed of a well priced (under $20K or at least under $23) RWD car with the PEP that the rotary engene can provide. The rotary is something special and they should not limit it to pricey high performance cars. Even tho the FD was amazing and the RX8 will also be I think rotarys should be daily drivers the most can afford (I wont mention fun, Mazda will take care of that). One of my all time favorite cars is the FC, there is a choice between NA and turbo, and its a perfect dailiy driver. The FD is a better car, but not something we can enjoy as a daily driver in New England. The more rotories they make, they better they get.
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subject:
RX-7
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The RX-7 simply must be brought back. The last ones they imported were high in price, but even higher in looks and performance. With the improvements made to their RE powerplant, and renewed focus on their values, Mazda could really create a killer sportscar and bring back the RX-7 we so sadly watched drive off into the sunset 8 years ago.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I have always thought Mazda needs to use the Renesis platform in many cars to make the most of all the money that went into research. I think an Rx-3 would be cool. Putting the renesis in more cars than just an Rx7 and Rx8 means more used renesis engines available for us in a few years when people start to crash.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
A revisited version of the RX-3 is interesting but I'd like to see Mazda consider the RX-2. The RX-2 conjures fear in a lot of enthusiasts as a great performer, lightweight, compact and most of all Rotary Power. I believe if Mazda wants to grab hold of a new generation then the "2" is the way to go. I think the RX-3 is lesser known to the new generation of enthusiasts except for the Rotorheads. This would be a nice package to compete with the Civic, Integra, Ford Focus and others. A next generation RX-7 is a must. This is what people want. As a matter of fact most enthusiasts I know would take the Japan Spec 2002 Sprit R. The gains made by Mazda in refining and improving the FD over the years has made a spectacular vehicle. Unfortunately those of us here in the states had up till 1995. Probably not feasible for a variety of reasons esepcially since production stoped in August 2002. The rumored package of a new generation RX-7 has already caught the hearts of many without much detail. The RX-8.. what can I say.. nice, very nice. Unique, a performer, balanced and a broad appeal to many folks. I've been the owner of a '82 GS RX-7, '87 TII and now a '88 TII and 1994 PEP RX-7. Mazda and the Rotary have always had my support and will continue. Keep up the great work Mazda!

Latross Carroll - LC
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