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Rotaries outlawed from Daytona 24
Submitted by SuperUser on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 5:25pm

This year, the Grand-Am sanctioning body, outlawed all Rotary Engine Powered
Race cars at the Daytona Rolex 24 Hour Race. Section 3-1.6 Rotary engines are not allowed (Rolex Series only). We take this as another one of
those misguided and ignorant decisions, by rules makers and sanctioning
bodies that do not and care not to understand the Rotary power plant. The
Rotary engine has been a mainstay of endurance sports car racing around the
world, for 3 decades. Endurance racing is one of the last great places where
the inherent values of the Rotary Engine can still shine through, at a world
class level of competition, although it's been severely regulated/restricted
of late.

We wanted to ask all Rotary enthusiast what they thought of Grand-Am's
decision to ban Rotary Power, at this, one of the most famous, 24-hour
races. Please send us your thoughts and comments, and we will compile them
and send them to Grand-Am. Let's get Rotary Power back on the endurance
circuit! We want to show Grand-Am and all Road Racing sanctioning bodies,
that Rotary enthusiast play a major part in supporting sports car racing and
we want to see Rotaries back in the game! Click the link below to leave your feedback.

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subject:
Rusty
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
We've all seen it over and over again. Let's ban the rotary for whatever reason takes their fancy.

A classic case of "we dont understand it, lets get rid of it".. or "it keeps winning so it's not fair". Motor racing administrators worldwide are trying to take any innovation and advancement out of racing in order to create "closer racing" which is apparently better for the spectator. Forget the fact that we are all bored shitless with the same cars everywhere.

So what's next, ban turbos? They are different after all, and have an unfair advantage over naturally aspirated cars.. Then after that, we can ban Variable valve timing - that should make for closer racing and easier categories. We dont really need fuel injectors, do we? Lets all have single cam, high capacity pushrod V8s.. that will make for exciting racing.. As a matter of fact, even the difference in brands is too great, lets make the cars all the SAME, just put different bodies on them!

This is what happened in Australia.

The purpose and the point of racing is to see who can INNOVATE the most, who can come up with a different approach to make cars and engines better. The Rotary is the perfect embodiment of that concept and should be allowed to race anywhere a commercially available internal combustion engine is allowed.
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subject:
Let the Rotaries Race!
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
To the Grand-Am sanctioning body-

I write to you regarding your recent decision to outlaw all roatry engine powered race cars at the Daytona Rolex 24 Hour Race. I think this is a very poor decision for a number of reasons.

First, the rotary engine has officially resumed production status on a large scale commercial production line in Japan. The rotary is once again a viable production engine, and as such, should be allowed to compete head to head against other 4 cycle internal combustion engines. It is no longer an experiment.

In addition, Mazda has one of the most prestegious racing histories of any manufacture, Japanese or otherwise. They are, as you know, the only Japanese comapany to have ever won at 24 Hours du Le Mans, and as such should be provided the opportunity to compete in the most prestegious endurance race in America- the Daytona Rolex 24 Hour Race.

Finally, I appeal to you as a fan. I love watching the Daytona race, but I would love to see more variety. I would like to see a large range of differnet cars competeing at the event. I think it would heighten the excitement, and it would make me more likely to watch, as well as get others excited about the race.

So please, reconsider you decision to outlaw roatry engines at you amazing race. Let the best man driving the best machine win, even if his car doesn't have any pistons.

Collin Wesbter
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
It is hard to believe that serious car racing enthusiasts could make such a judgement. How can you take Rotary Engines out of a race of automobiles. It just doesn't make sense on its face. I am discussed with the racing authority and will not feel that the best car has won. I will ignore the race and the eventual winner!! !
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subject:
engineering Tech
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The reasoning for this ban is not the most explainable except to say they must be believed to be in a different league then piston engines. The horsepower generated from a piston engine and rotary engine could be equal if tuned to be that way. If this is the case, they are saying rotaries are too reliable in racing or not reliable enough. In either case, the reasoning does not ring true. Rotaries can be very reliable, but it also suffers from failures as piston engines do, in a different form. Piston engines have crank rod failure, valve failure, oil pump failure, bearing failure, etc. Rotary engines fail from apex seal failure, oil pump failure, bearing failure, stationary gear failure, etc.

So obviously mentioned from above failures, a major difference is the way its mechanically done to exploit the expansion of the combustion gases and differences in how they fail.

In short, the reason for the ban is not a very well educated and if it is a ban because of power potential differences between rotary and piston, why not just ban piston engines also because they can be made more powerful also?
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subject:
Mr.
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
As a group of no less than 8 individuals, with at least 5 rotaries in their respective history believe those people just do not have an appreciation of fine engineering and inovation. The dedication of the Mazda employees is not to be matched by any automotive work force anywhere in the free world, in order to prove the superiority of design & effectiveness of this engine--Well, Detroit still builds boat anchors!
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subject:
short shot
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Dan:

It would seem that this rules making body is not above making mistakes. I for one believe this is a major mistake.

The rotary engine has long had a great reputation for just what someone would look for in an endurance race like the 24. It is gaining acceptance and favor as the power plant to have for many types of racing.

This ruling body must be made up of a slew of democrats. Can't beat them so just bad mouth them. This is obstructionist and can do nothing but put them in a position of having to change the rules back again. this shows a lack of forethought and weakness.

S.S.
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subject:
no rotary, won't watch
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I was looking forward to watching the race, but now will not. All rotary fans should avoid watching the race, and make sure the sanctioning body knows why.
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subject:
banned
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Remember the turbine and 4 wheel drive at Indy were banned. Soon it will all be NASCAR clones.
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subject:
rotary in 24
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
thats not cool at all, i loved watching the rotary cars in the 24 hr race, they will be missed greatly. Its not a 24 hr race if there is no rotories in it? is it even worth watching anymore.
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subject:
As per usual
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
If something is winning, ban it. I mean, you could innovate and find a way to compete with the rotary, or you could take the easy route and just take your toys and go home. Congratulations Grand-Am, you have proven yourselves to be a petulant band of children.

The motorsports world is afraid of the rotary because of what it can do. Star Mazda and Spec 7's can go A WHOLE SEASON without touching the motors. Some Spec 7 racers go two seasons. What piston racer can claim that? The rotary in NA form is bullet-proof; without a doubt the most reliable internal combustion motor concieved by man.

Mazda should just take all it's racing budget and kick Audi's ass in LeMans, again. Then they'll be banned there too, but at least we'll have a second title for the only Japanese automaker to win at that fabled race.

Mazda needs to tell the world that the RX-7 and it's rotary is one of the most successful car in motorsports and was banned because of it.

Ok, so I'm ranting, but ignorance pisses me off, and this decision is just that.

Matt McGeary, proud owner of two SA/FB RX-7's.
deuteronomy@shaw.ca
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subject:
Rolex 24
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I think they should reconsider their desicion on banning the rotary, or atleast fo the race next season. It brings tears to my eyes to see that officials ban the rotary without any real reasons for it to compete. With such a great winning history that that "little engien that could" has established for itself.
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subject:
Unfair , but to be expected!
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Is to be expected. The sanctioning bodies have been messing around with Mazda royaries since the days when Mazda RX7's were kicking behinds in the IMSA GTU series. The jealousy is evident, they try to say rotaries are crap(even the Ford people tried to end the Mazda rotary tradition)...the real truth is that they are afraid of being ridiculed once again by Mazda. We should elevate a protest to the highest ranked officers in that organization, nothing but a bunch of wannabies!
Count on me, I will not even read the news about that competition in boicot , count on me for any boicot and support.
Rotaries are the future!
Jaime Aguire.
______________________________________
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subject:
Ignorance
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Ignorance is the only word that can possibly sum up this decision. Anyone who has any inkling about the auto industry understands that racing greatly enhances all forms of auto technologies. Furthermore, just in case the sanctioning body is as ignorant as their decision, these technologies include safety, fuel efficiency, and durability. How can they possibly justify this action? I consider this a conscious decision to hinder research and development for new technology, a decision that in any field - wether it be medicine, aeronautics, computers, or automobiles - just does not make sense. The human race enjoys numerous benefits in all facets of life thanks to research and development of new technology. Lets not blatantly hinder ourselves, we have plenty of natural and human induced problems already. In short, let rotary technology continue to develop and dominate the race tracks.
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subject:
Official statement
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Dan:

I was just wondering if there is, or if an official statement can be obtained, as to WHY the Grand-Am sanctioning body owtlawed the rotary.

Any info you could provide would br greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Deltamike
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subject:
Enthusiast
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I also would to see a detailed report of reasons why the rotary can't compete?

Maybe the rotary needs to have its own cirquit, because todays standards are obselete when it comes to racing.

Grow some cojones and live a little will ya'.
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subject:
Daytona vs Rotaries
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
What a totally ignorant decision the sanctioning body has made.Isn't this what 24hrs Daytona represents,endurance racing?A motor is a motor don't be afraid of the little rotor.Or are you.What influenced them to make such an absurd decision?I'll boycott.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
This is absolute crap. The rotary deserves to better than to simply be banned. Just like most of the motoring populus (in my experience) they're just ignorant to the rotary. If it's been in racing so long, it should be allowed to remain. I'm just disgusted by this decision.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Your perfectly right. What's realy frustating, is in fact the ignorance, since I don't even think that they ban rotaries to keep them out ot the competition. I remember the year after the overall win of the Mazda 787B at Le Mans, when rotaries where banned there to, and the eurosport commentator asked, why Mazda was using rotary cars in America but not at Le Mans ;-{. We know, that the ACO has learned and in later years rotaries entered the race again.
In former time, it might have been an issue to find an adequate class for rotaries to compete with reciprocating engines, but there is a sound formula to do so. To ban them is simply against the spirit of racing and competition.
From the birthland of the rotary!
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
As a long-time racing supporter and enthusiast, I find the decision to ban rotary engines by the Grand Am sanctioning body to be pathetically short-sighted and cowardly. What's the matter, guys, are you afraid to watch the rotarys kick the bloated piston-engined cars butts? What possible legitimate reason could you have for banning these perfectly legal street-car based racers? Start thinking toward the future - smaller, lighter high-performance designs are the only hope, both for street cars and for racing designs, and rotary-engined designs are one step in that direction.
Stephen White
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subject:
Rotaries outlawed from Daytona 24
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Yawn, how predictable. Big money talks, little guys walk. Mazda doesn't have the money to sponsor big teams, yet their odd little engine poses a very significant threat to the Gloiaths that throw tons of money into their ho-hum piston engines. Fantastic - the big boys force out the little engine that could. Eventually, the races will be just as interesting as Nascar. Of course, Nascar has broad appeal to people that don't know any better or don't care. Yes, it's a big advertising market for unidentifiable meat products, bland domestic beers, discount sellers of ill-fitting clothes, and credit repair services. Too bad the organizers caved rather than show some actual spine.

For what little it's worth, I won't be watching. Like they care, since I don't buy bland domestic beers.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I guess if you can't beat 'em or join 'em, ban it! I think it's great when Mazda shows off the 787B. It shows the rest of the world that their engineers are so proficient that they aren't allowed to compete with lesser engineers. Enough rhetoric, this is really sad, innovation being punished is appauling.

Rob
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subject:
Banned?
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
How can they do that? It's not fair. We wanted to come to the US for this happening and had to cancel everything!!!

Please make them stop stop the Rotary engine in the classes!!!

REgards,
Andreas

Webmaster Dutch RX-7 Club
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subject:
Mr
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Hi, I think that banning the rotary power plant from the 24 Hour Rolex Daytona Race is very ignorant about that fact that the rotary engine has come a long way, and is hard for a lot of people to admit that the rotary is as good as if not better than the piston engine. I guess this is one way of Grand-Am saying that are are banning the rotary powered cars because they are affraid to admit the the rotary engine is better than the piston engine and wouldn't want the public seeing that the rotary can beat the V6, V8, V10 etc. The rotary maybe noisy and all that stuff you pistons guy say etc, but I myselft love the sound of the rotary, and the fact that its a lot more compact than most other engines, more power per cubic inch, and more reliable and so for a race like that 24 Hour Daytona is why they are banning the rotary and people like me wont go and watch until they bring the rotary back.

If its not a rotor is not a motor.
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subject:
Rotary Power
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The rotary engine is still the ONLY Japanese engine to EVER win the 24 Hours of Lemans.

Are you guys so scared of it as to have to actually ban the use of a rotary? Typical human. You are afraid of what you don't understand. Have a bit of mental flexability. It is variety that makes life interesting.
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subject:
re: out law of the rotory
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
in my opinion this is just another form of segration, most people(dumb people) take it apon them selve to get rid of things that are better then what they have, hell, look at what happened when diskbrakes came out, it took a long time for people to realize that there better! but some people need to realize that the rotary power plant is more efficient and a overall better deign then thoes stupid pistons, god, this is the gayest attack on the engine that most of us(the smart ones) have come to love and realize it's potential, with the intruduction of the rx8 and the reniseis a rotory can now run as clean and still make the power of a piston engine at half the size(and some times even less) so i say to the people that did this, kindly FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND LEAVE THE ROTARY ALONE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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