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Rotaries outlawed from Daytona 24
Submitted by SuperUser on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 5:25pm

This year, the Grand-Am sanctioning body, outlawed all Rotary Engine Powered
Race cars at the Daytona Rolex 24 Hour Race. Section 3-1.6 Rotary engines are not allowed (Rolex Series only). We take this as another one of
those misguided and ignorant decisions, by rules makers and sanctioning
bodies that do not and care not to understand the Rotary power plant. The
Rotary engine has been a mainstay of endurance sports car racing around the
world, for 3 decades. Endurance racing is one of the last great places where
the inherent values of the Rotary Engine can still shine through, at a world
class level of competition, although it's been severely regulated/restricted
of late.

We wanted to ask all Rotary enthusiast what they thought of Grand-Am's
decision to ban Rotary Power, at this, one of the most famous, 24-hour
races. Please send us your thoughts and comments, and we will compile them
and send them to Grand-Am. Let's get Rotary Power back on the endurance
circuit! We want to show Grand-Am and all Road Racing sanctioning bodies,
that Rotary enthusiast play a major part in supporting sports car racing and
we want to see Rotaries back in the game! Click the link below to leave your feedback.

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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Whenever I hear of a group banning the use of rotary engines, it brings up the same response from me... Why? Automotive bodies and groups always talk about how they want to advance technology, so why hold it back? Allow the rotary engine to be used on an equal scale as piston engines, wich equal restrictions. What would happen? The rotary would dominate, forcing piston engine engineers to come up with new products and designs, therefore moving technology forward.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Yet another attempt by scared piston devotees to halt the evolution of the Wankel. I cannot believe they can ban something that can make the sport affordable - rotaries and racing work great - reliable, high revving and cheap to obtain good power. Letting rotaries race helps their development and application of new design and lightweight engine components etc which is good for the whole rotary market.
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subject:
Rotary ban in Rolex Series
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
What exactly is the reasoning for this? The rotary has been around long enough to be a known quantity. Bishop in IMSA imposed and subtracted ballast for the early 7's in competition until the competition was deemed level. There is no reason why Grand Am cannot do the same. Also, Jim Downing a rotary devotee has been running a rotary of some sorts in Grand Am for some time, so now him, and his fans are being penalized for what seems to ammount to a bizarre and arbitrary decision at best.

Simply put, if the rotary is such a good powerplant that has the potential to dominate, then let it. Other manufactures will develop them, put it in their cars and it will ultimately benefit the public. This is just Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. If the rotary is the fittest, then let's finally end the piston era and give the rotary the praise and attention it has always deserved. If it weren't for the oil crisis in '73 it may be a piston entry that was being banned at this point instead of the rotary.
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subject:
Mr.
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I w'll not support any sanctioning body the don't allowed rotary engines. Last year was my last trip to Daytona, for the Rolex 24.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
This is just unbelievable.... The rotary engine was first put on paper in the twenties, by one of the greatest genius' all time: Felix Wankel. Ever since, every person with some understanding could see the fact that this engine was made for motorsports. Yet it was banned from it, one series at a time, just until it won't be allowed anywhere anymore. Motorsport seems to say: if you cannot beat it - ban it. It's not only sad for rotary enthousiasts, it's also sad for the sport itself. It prooves that motorsport is much less sport and much more bussiness then we can ever imagine.
I simply cannot enjoy motorsports anymore, if they outlaw rotaries just because they refuse to understand them.
Piston engines are really sad things, using their power to operate valves and camshafts and all those useless things... Yet they are powerfull enough outside the track to ban our engines.
Just think about this: what goes 'round comes back. I'll never loose faith in Felix Wankels invention.
With, or without motorsports...
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subject:
Scared?
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The whole point with motorsports is to boost technical development. The piston engine has been dominating every aspect of motoring for the last 100 years. The rotary is the only really new innovation for decades and decades. So, every other carmaker gave up on rotaries except Mazda who made them work a bit too well for the others to be comfortable. So the others donīt have rotaries and what to do? Make the Grand-Am sanctioning body ban them! Yes, as simple as that. That really solves their problem, like sticking their heads in the sand... my interest for Daytona just vanished... By the way, what happened at Le Mans after Mazdas victory -91? Wasnīt the rotary banned the next year...?
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subject:
Stuff em'
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Not suprising. Motor racing committee's in general are trying to BAN the rotary from racing world wide. So we start our own class of racing! no big deal. All rotaries racing. Now that would be a race worth watching!
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subject:
Daytona 24 winners*
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Absolutely offensive. Harkens back to the negro leagues. I see very little difference between the treatment the rotary is getting and what baseball did to our black atheletes in the bad ol' days.

The scanctioning body has just guaranteed that from this day forward, the winners of their races will be tagged with the infamous asterisk.

2003 winner: John Doe*
2004 winner: Joe Sixpack*
etc.

* No rotary competition

The rotary community should run its own races, identical in every respect, and put up their times against the pogostick crowd's.
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subject:
Its a shame.
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Its common in motorsports to ban what they cant control...they know not enough about the rotary, so they cant control it, and then ban it all together. I guess they dont want to learn. Fairly soon all of racing will be the same.
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subject:
Scared?
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The rotary engine should be allowed to compete.
It only takes away form the sport to limit the playng field. Have a heart and let the rotary join in the reindeer games..
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Thankfully, rotaries have not been banned from Le Mans. The governing body was going to prohibit them from competing after 1991 (causing a major motivation on mazda's part to win that year - or never) but fortunately they changed their minds :). Something you might want to see ...
http://www.mymazdarotary.com/images/index/mazda-prodrive-150802.JPG
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Racing was one of the best ways to spread the knowledge of rotaries! This is just sad. If everyone had the attitude of "If I can't beat it, ignore it" where would we be today? The rotary is far superior to the piston engine in so many ways, but it will never succeed if it is not acknowledged. Pathetic on the part of GA.
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subject:
DRAG RACER
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
this is not the first time that the rotary engine has been discriminated against and its surely not the last time this ofcourse is bad news but grand father say it doesnt rain everyday this is true. to some of us the rotary is just an engine but to me it is a way of life and i will always support it .
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Who was paid off? Why did Grand-Am outlaw all Rotary Engine Powered Race cars at the Daytona Rolex 24 Hour Race? That's a rip off...
I say, boycott Grand-AM unil Rotary power is allowed to run 24 Datona unrestricted...
Wake up and smell the Rotary.
See you next year, maybe?
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The ignorant destroy what they can't understand
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subject:
im not so sure
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
i have read in multiple places that the rotary was indeed banned after it placing 1st and 5th in the 91 le mans, but it was reinstated a couple years later. By that time mazda had moved on, and hadn't raced a wankel there since.
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subject:
fired up
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Hmmmmm this has me thinking.

Do you think this is just an attempt to flatten the playing field or a much more sinister plot, think about this....

Since the begining the rotary has made advances following r&d performed on a race track. Every year, and even hour that the rotary sees track time, people start to understand more and more about how the rotary works, using the strong points and eliminating the weak points.

So does it not make sense that denying mazda and other rotary enthusiests that track time is doing much more than pissing us pro-wankels off, it is actually interfering with the development of the rotary as a whole.

In 1991 mazda's brilliant engineers had already found a way to dominate race bread v-12's, but since being muzzled hasn't produce many new innovations with the rotary until recently. Certainly the banning of the rotary was absolutley devastating to mazda and all the engineers that spent countless hours designing in a couple years, a superior internal combustion engine to the piston engine that has taken well over a hundred years to perfect.

Let's be fair about this, the banning of the rotary has nothing to do with an individual body "leveling" the playing field, it is the Large piston manufacturors way of systimatically eliminating the rotary from our planet earth. And if it were not for Ford motor company stepping in and providing some funding for new R&D on the wankel, then the piston companies might have very well have gotten their way.

And by Le mans, and Grand am re-inviting the rotary a couple of years after it was banned, they try to wave the "neutral" flag saying, "we had nothing to do with it!" when the damage has already been done. After years of R&D and irreplacable momentum has already been lost.

Rotary enthusiests should not only be slightly offended, we should take this as a blatent attempt from the high dollar, high influence piston manufacturors to steal something that we love. And I for one will not stand for it.

I am also in favor of strictley rotary racing, and for those who don't believe that it won't work check out www.starmazda.com that stars rotary only extreme racing. Including a renisis powered open wheel racer that has been compared to an F3 car, and a 13b powered formula car, that just finished 11 laps ahead of it's nearest competitor.
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subject:
also
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Does it make you curious as to why the decide to ban it now???

Maybe it has something to do with being afraid that the new designed renisis based rotaries will completely dominate the playing field as it did in the 80's and 90's???

So essentially they are saying that they will only let the wankel play if it uses 15 year old technology.

I say we start our own racing leages, organized on an international online forum, using all different road corses, and maybe even some drag and oval just for fun.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
It's as obvious as a 2-year old's temper tantrum that banning the rotary engine is a desperate act of fear of competition.

The Rolex 24 permits naturally aspirated, turbo-charged, supercharged 4,5,6,8, 10, or 12 cylinders whether in-line, "V', "W", flat, or anything else - that is as long as it's pistons.

The ruling makes no sense if fairness and competition is the actual goal. The ruling makes perfect sense if the rules are contrived to ensure the established manufacturers continue to win absent the rotary competition.
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subject:
Not again..
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
One more time.... the big car makers have shown thier fear...
Remember how it was at Lemans after 91???
"If they are allowed to race that engine we are not comming!"...

What can you say??
I would really like to know the reasons for this!
//magnus
www.welcome.to/swedish-rotary
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The best way for new engine capabilities to be tested is in a race such as this. This allows engine design to go forward.

Thanks,
Andy Goerdel
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
i think pist ons are still afraid of the power of the rotor no 3 4 6 8 cyl will ever compare to the pull of a rotary
keep repus alive
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subject:
Rolex 24
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Grand Am and Rolex 24 are boring. Time to move on to watch other stuff. I refuse to watch their so call races that are only dominated by 3 teams
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Hmm I would be interested in getting to the bottom of this. According to "The Wankel Rotary Engine: A History" by John B. Hege the "disqualification of rotaries did not happen" (page 157) and "RX-7: Mazda's Rotary Engine Sportscar" by Brian Long Mazda "tackled the 1992 event with the TWR-built MXR-01, but fourth was the best it could muster." (page 167) Where have you seen that rotaries were disqualified? I would really like find the true history of Mazda at Le Mans after their win.
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subject:
Tech & friend to Rotorheads
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Why have you done this again! I am talking directly to the sanctioning bodies, of course! Racing is based on competition, When you decide to eliminate part of it by a vote you yourself have become less competitive. What happened to the saying " If you can't beat them, join them !!" By voting out a small percentage of people, you have in effect, admited your short comings. You have now started a new saying " If you can't beat them, vote them out!" Sampson defeated Golieth because it was one on one, I suppose if Golieth had a sanctioning body he could have defeated Sampson by voting him out !!

The truth is --- that now cars and drivers are going to win by default because some were already eliminated from competition and never got to start their engines. I find this to be a very sad thing.


Chris Greene
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