Rotaries outlawed from Daytona 24

subject:	Just adding to the list of up
author:	feelthesweet...
date:	January 27, 2008 - 11:58am

Just adding to the list of upset people... somebody send these responses to grand-am as a petition.

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'87 RX-7 TII

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subject:	Rotary banned
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 18, 2004 - 9:38am

This was a very ignorant move by grand am. I am a scca racer, worker and a fan of all racing. I race a rx-7. The very engine that got me hooked was the rotaries. The were a sight to see and hear at the Miami grand Prix from years back. The Jim Downing effort was the main reason I use to watch grand am. They have lost my interest and I'm sure many other people's as well.

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subject:	rotary ban
author:	No Rotor
date:	November 28, 2004 - 9:16pm

Rotaries being banned from almost every form of motor racing at some point or another since its induction is a true statement of superiorty. I honestly think that all the major manufactures except mazda itself have aligned with the sanctioning bodies to ban rotaries in fear of them putting all their hi tech piston engines which directly effects the show room floors since racing technology is there to prove itself at the race track in conditions that would never be seen in streets(legally) and if a rotary engine goes in and cleans up and proves itself then the billions of dollars in manufacturing techniques, maintenance practices, and overall money invested in recip engines as a whole might seem as a waste. lets face it the rotary is awsome, where do you get a 1.3liter that pulls 9g's likes it, wants more, and spanks engines with 3 to 4X the size and does it reliable since there is only 3 moving main parts on the 2 rotor? it would almost be like when everyone decided to switch to metric, all the mechanics all had standard, cars were made with standard hardware. However back to real deal here racing bodies who ban something just cause its such a effective design are in fact holding back technology and moving forward, if they honestly believed that recip engines were so great and had nothing to worry about then they should allow rotaries in racing such 24hr events!

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subject:	No Rotors
author:	No Rotor
date:	May 15, 2004 - 6:22am

The decision to ban rotories from the Rolex series is at best misguided. For almost two decades Mazda rotary powered cars were a major force in racing not only at Daytona but at events around the world. Suddenly, they have been elimintated from future competition by the stroke of a pen.

In some ways, it's flattering. It means is that the other competitors are declaring up front that they can't compete with the rotary's fantastic power to weight ratio and rather than lose they will legislate. Oh well, stupid is as stupid does and in this case that describes the directors of the Rolex series.

John M. (Hesperia, CA)

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subject:	Voting with my wallet, feet & eyes
author:	Otter
date:	January 14, 2007 - 10:11am

Banning the rotary from the Grand Am series is the "last nail in the coffin" for my interest in watching or supporting in any way the Grand Am series. Same goes for NASCAR since I believe they are the parent body behind Grand Am.

Really a shame since the rotary was at it's best in endurance racing. But I guess that's why they banned it.

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subject:	Rotaries pushed out of racing in Australi in the 70's
author:	scaryrx8
date:	May 3, 2005 - 6:08pm

In Australia we have a touring car race called "The Bathurst 1000".
It is a torturous mountain track, about 5 miles per circuit, tight corners long straights, steep climbs etc. The race is 1000 miles in length.

Back in the 1970's, the governing body of motor racing in Australia, CAMS (Confederation of Motor Sports) decided in it's wisdom that RX7 rotaries had to race in the same class as the 5litre and above V8s (357 cubic inch). So there were the little 1200cc cars up against cars with engines 5 times their capacity! (Eg: Camaros)

The situation was untenable, and within about a year there were NO rotaries racing. - I haven't seen them since!

Regards,
Mark.

Melbourne, Australia

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subject:	Is a Two Stroke
author:	scaryrx8
date:	May 3, 2005 - 6:00pm

Because the rotary has an oil injection system (oil is used to help seal the apex seals against the rotary housings) it IS in fact (By ONE definition) a TWO STROKE!

Regards,
Mark

Melbourne, Australia.

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subject:	WHY?
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Simple question...... why?

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subject:	retired
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

i think its totally insane they just cant stand to be beat by a 2 stroke

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Rotaries are 4 "stroke" (cycle) ... now, they are upset because
1. the rotaries are 1.3 liters (2.0 for 3 rotor, 2.6/7 for 4rotor)
2. the eccentric shaft (crank) turns three times times for every revolution of the rotor, vs 2 times for a piston
3. light weight advantage for the rotary

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Four stroke in operation, but it also has power output closer to a two stroke, simply because of reduced reciprocating drivetrain loss. First LeMans, now this.

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subject:	DUMB!
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

This is the stupidest thing! Maybe they should ban pistons and go to rotaries eh? Why not that? Stupid people!

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subject:	Tyrannical rule makers
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Hard to image they could be so afraid of such a tiny Otto so as to ban it outright. You'd think anything street legally derived and not loaded with lead acid batteries or over the weight limit would be welcomed. Maybe this is the price Mazda has to pay for stopping sale of rotary cars in the US eight years ago.

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

This is ridiculous. Just another form of discrimination. Since you want to use a rotary in your race car you're not allowed to race? How screwed up is that? Is there a reason why they outlawed the rotary? Is it just because they're too lazy to figure out what class to put it in? It's obviously not because they're so dominant; they put so many restrictions on them nobody wants to use them anymore. How is the rotary supposed to make any advancements in technology or in any sense for that matter if all these sactioning bodies are outlawing it?No one will be able to get any feedback on anything because there will be no racecar to try it on. This might even hinder the performance market for rotaries a little bit. Is there a website for the Grand-Am sanctioning body? I want to send them an email. I know I can't make a difference, but I just want some answers. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!!

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subject:	reason?
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

did they give a reason for this ban? they must think they some logical/ defensible position. of course they are wrong but i'd like to hear it anyway.

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subject:	That is total Bull!!!
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

I do not really think that is fare at all. I mean they let the McLaren F1 is, which on is the fastest car right now in the world. If they can let that car in the race, then they should seriously let the Rotary Engine back in. That is all I have to say about this whole little ordeal.

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

They're afraid. Very afraid. I wouldn't be surprised if they accepted bribes from other manufacturers in order to undermine long term sales of the RX-8 and future rotary Mazdas.

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subject:	No title supplied
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Grand -amm is scared of being showed up by the rotary engine . or maybe the japanese arent prepared to pay the american MOBSTERS thath control the automobile industry. its a fight between the JAKUZA AND THE MAFIA . consequently it all comes down to MONEY???

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author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

I thought the rotar spins 3 times for every single revolution on the crank?! Oh, well..

At any rate, I'm sure they're sick of rotary endurance performance kicking everything else's ass. It's as simple as these people being completely biased, and can't stand to see their beloved, oversized piston engine getting whomped on all over the place by a little rotor that could.

I admit, I don't own a rotary :(. Not like I wouldn't mind having one! It's just too bad that not every car enthusist could appriciate the brilliance of the rotary design. Let rotary freedom ring, and hopefully another endurance race will come from this, and allow the rotary to compete.

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subject:	Electronics Engineer VII
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

A 24 hours auto endurance race is a test to bring out the best combination of automotive technologies. I can understand some rules and regulations to keep different technologies competitive with each other (e.g.. maximum amount of fuel allowable, maximum vehicle weight...etc), The banning of any automotive technology used in an endurance race achieves nothing other than discouraging competitions and innovations.

We Americans love competitions and innovations. I urge the Grand Am sanction body to bring the rotary engine back to race.

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subject:	Fleet Mazda Salesman
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Dear Sirs,
Don't worry, they are just afraid of what they don't understand. They need to just place it in an appropriate power/weight ratio class(as if there really is one), but close enough either way to make it competitive. The 24 hours of Le Mans will allow rotaries but americans cannot? It is ludacris. With the upcoming RX8 they are becoming afraid. They just dont want there technology to look so outdated. Just keep the faith and buy up the RX8's so the RX7 makes its glorius return.

Keep the faith,

Kyle Lancaster--Unknown Mazda Dealer

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subject:	why?
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

I have always wondered why the rotary is given the shaft by the racing community. Part of it I think is ignorance and part of it is unfairly restricting rotaries because of there fair and natural advantages.

This decision by Grand-Am is a piss poor and dangerous one, because it sets a precedent which will allow other sanctioning bodies to make similar rules pushing rotaries out of racing all together.

If that happens I say f#(k all those redneck rule makers and we should expand on the Star Mazda series and make more all rotary racing series.

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subject:	Survival of the weakest?
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Sounds to me like they don't want the threat of the rotary community to strengthen or increase in power with the upcoming RX-8 release and the chance of the RX-7 coming to these shores again - so they want to insure best as they can the survival of the weakest racers by banning the RX-7 before it is reborn. Jealousy and ignorance go back to at least the time of the Pharisees. Sad to see it still governs otherwise logical entities. If you can't beat them - buy them[like Microsoft] - or ban them[Daytona 24 way]! It's a bit like flattery in the form of the C5 Vette copying the design of the 3rd gen RX-7 - only a negative form of flattery!

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subject:	Daytona 24hr race
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Well it makes since to me! The officials at this upcomming Grand-Am racing event would be crazy to allow a world class throughbred run around with a bunch of plow horses. Our rotarys are just too superior!

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subject:	Rusty
author:	No Rotor
date:	December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

We've all seen it over and over again. Let's ban the rotary for whatever reason takes their fancy.

A classic case of "we dont understand it, lets get rid of it".. or "it keeps winning so it's not fair". Motor racing administrators worldwide are trying to take any innovation and advancement out of racing in order to create "closer racing" which is apparently better for the spectator. Forget the fact that we are all bored shitless with the same cars everywhere.

So what's next, ban turbos? They are different after all, and have an unfair advantage over naturally aspirated cars.. Then after that, we can ban Variable valve timing - that should make for closer racing and easier categories. We dont really need fuel injectors, do we? Lets all have single cam, high capacity pushrod V8s.. that will make for exciting racing.. As a matter of fact, even the difference in brands is too great, lets make the cars all the SAME, just put different bodies on them!

This is what happened in Australia.

The purpose and the point of racing is to see who can INNOVATE the most, who can come up with a different approach to make cars and engines better. The Rotary is the perfect embodiment of that concept and should be allowed to race anywhere a commercially available internal combustion engine is allowed.

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