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Auto Express takes a spin in RX-8
Submitted by SuperUser on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 11:55am

The waiting is finally over... After four years of teasing us with concepts such as the RX-01 and the RX-Evolve, Mazda has let Auto Express behind the wheel of its sensational RX-8. As we turn the ignition key and hear the sewing machine whirr of its hi-tech engine, our patience certainly seems to have paid off.


Likely to cost only £22,000 when it goes on sale in April next year, the svelte newcomer is aimed at the Audi TT and BMW 3-Series Coupé. Lined up against these challengers - and in a world where few cars are unique and even the most luxurious share components with other vehicles - the RX-8 is a shameless novelty. From its rotary engine to its pillar-less four-door structure, this car is like nothing else on the road. The RX-8's outside app-earance is striking, although not as dramatic as the show cars'. Lost in the transition to the production version are flush-fitting door handles and strip headlamps. Also, the rear now looks like that of a conventional saloon.


In the cabin, the original's luscious leather seats have been swapped for those more attuned to US tastes, as the manufacturer hopes to sell a third of its annual 40,000 production there. Aluminium trim panels have replaced the prototype's spars, but other than that it's mostly as seen at the Tokyo Motor Show three years ago. When approaching the newcomer, it's the rear-hinged back doors that create the most interest. These 'suicide doors' have been seen making a comeback recently at motor shows, but until now have not featured on a production car destined for the UK.


For safety reasons, the rear doors will not open before the fronts. Though not practical, this improves the body's resistance to side impacts. Once swung wide they reveal two cramped but supportive seats, which are just big enough for two adults. Getting in is tricky, but easier with the front seats tilted forward. Despite there being no B-pillar, it's claimed that integral crash beams, locking pins and latches, plus side and curtain airbags, make the car as safe as a similarly sized saloon. From the driver's seat, the cabin looks similar to the Mazda 6 four-door's and is well laid out with clear instruments and plenty of storage space. The choice of materials - as with the easily scratched black lacquer - is a little too glitzy. But Mazda has paid attention to the ergo-nomics, and the driving position is good.


Spin the starter and the engine whirrs, blip the throttle and the rev counter flips up with no increase in engine noise, only a change in pitch. This is an extraordinary car to drive, with a seamless performance, but not a huge amount of muscle - so you have to use all 9,000rpm. The action isn't anything like that of the old, sequentially turbocharged RX-7, but the RX-8 is still very fast. The 237bhp-engined version tops out at around 155mph, and sprints from 0-60mph in six seconds. Fuel consumption is not so encouraging, though, at 22mpg. A less powerful 189bhp version is also available. It's slower, of course, and needs revving to get the most out of it.


On winding roads, body roll is too pronounced for this Mazda to be an out-and-out sports car. However, the ride is comfortable, grip phenomenal and the handling a driver's delight for what is, after all, a fast tourer. And when you really push it hard, the traction control allows some progressive, tail-out motoring before taking over.


Add accurate electronically assisted steering with a good weight and feedback, plus powerful and sensitive disc brakes, and you have the recipe for cross-country thrills. Mazda really has created a genuine alternative to the German coupés in this sector. John Scott

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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Well, 'the link' to their site is broken... it is the correct link, but their site just sucks...
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subject:
Underhood Pic
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm

Where\'d the engine go! I hope that cover comes off quickly!

NB: This comment has been modified by an administrative person on 6.11.2002 (12:20:21)
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
This article claims that there is a less powerful RX-8 that only produces 187hp. Where did that come from?! Does it just have 1 rotor? What did they do to this engine to make it produce less HP?
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subject:
i'm surprised
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
wow, the low 237hp numbers really surprised me in this article, not to mention the 22mpg. i was expecting both of those numbers to be higher. well i guess the hp doesn't matter too much because once you put on an performance intake and free flow exhaust, we should see a bunch of those poinies coming back :D.
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subject:
RX-Evolv Feature
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
There was a feature of the RX-Evolv that you could tune the engine to be less powerful via different smart cards... so maybe they've just moved this logic inbound into the engine computer... hard coded it....

Wouldn't it be cool to buy at 187hp version, then switch out the computer or chip it to 250 hp?! :)
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The link is broken.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Works for me! Looks like their website does 5-6 redirects before presenting the page you clicked on in the first place...
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subject:
Lest hope this is a entry version...
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
gawd. Not exactly what I wanted to read in the second review so far.

237 Hp?!? We were promised 250 at SS5 and 300 modified! Is this going to be like the vvti Miata with phantom horsepower?!

Body lean, "fast tourer" (!) what?!?! We were told red blooded sports car.

None of this jives with what we were 'told' at SS5, especially at the dinner. I'll trust what EVO has to say when they get their hands on one.

My reaction is AE sucks as a car mag.

Keeping my fingers crossed for mazda.
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No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
i believe that the article stated "bhp", which i assume is different that "hp". isn't that back hp, from the rear wheels, not off the engine?

other than that, sounded nice. if this was intended to be a sports car, it would have. stiffer shocks more like that of an rx-7 will reduce the rate of roll, this is designed for a more comfortable feel.

although notice their reaction driving the car. they were quite impressed by the car overall, which is what mazda wants.

too bad about the lack of low end torque. even so, 0-60 in 6 sec. you cant be that, not even in an Altima, and still fit three other friends comfortably.
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subject:
Concrete Numbers Already Mazda! Please!
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Anyone else getting a little tired of this misinformation, or lack of real information from the source, i.e. Mazda? I love the idea of this car, but this is absurd. I know, I know, January at the Deroit Auto Show will be the release, but why invite press to preview the car and then wait 2.5 months to announce it?

I understand the press was instructed to wait until November 15th to release info, so I assume there will be many more previews soon. Previews for the G35 Coupe started a month or two before it was released. Car and Driver first drove "a prototype" 350Z in January 02, it wasn't in their preview section, but part of Csere's column. The Z was described saying the "test mule was short a few ponies and fitted with a crude interior..." The Z was released in April, which is 8 months after the prototype "preview". Well, Road & Track "previewed" the RX-8 in April 02, which makes this month (November) 8 months after that test. If it isn't released until April, that's a year after.

Mazda has pushed back the release data again and agian. From what I recall, first it was November 02, then January 03, then Febuary, then March, then May... Then a press release about X-Men saying the movie "...will premiere May 02, 2003 - just months before the RX-8 sports car is expected to hit Mazda showrooms..." That means June or July. Car and Driver said May, now Auto Express says April. Which is it already? When is this car finally coming to the US?

The specs keep changing also, 280 Hp, then 250 Hp, then 250 Hp (tageted)... R&T said 250 bhp, C&D 247 Hp, Auto Express says 237 bhp, but Auto Bild says 240 HP, then later in the article says 240 PS (256 Hp), then sums it up as 177 kW (237 Hp). Nissan promised 260 Hp for the 350Z, possibly 280 Hp, then delivered 287 Hp. Will Mazda put the rabit out it's hat and give us 260 Hp, have they underrated it on purpose? Or worse, is it really that low? Second, where does that leave the Mazdaspeed version?

The weight was estimated at 2970 lbs by R&T, C&D said "expected curb weight less than 2900", then 2954 lbs was stated by Auto Bild. These numbers great, but if the power is 237 bhp, then I hope it looses a few. The handling should be great and I'm not worried about what Auto Express stated about body roll. An "out-and-out sports car" could be a Porsche, Ferarri, 350Z, etc. Plus, that could easily be fixed.

The gas milage may be 22mpg City rating, which is higher than the 20mpg for the 350Z and G35C.

The prices quoted in the two previews so far are $29832 to $34804, and $34419. I hope European prices are higher than US, because $26000 to $30000 were estimated. I guessed $30000, was probably less the options, so I'm not shocked. I expect G35C, and less than 3-Series prices.

I was really hoping to use the S-Class pricing to get this car. I've seen people say no way, but Mazda actually only looses a few hundred $ with S-Class (still make a profit, guaranteed), the dealer is the one who makes no money. If only a few hundred buyers do this, dealers won't complain. A few months ago the dealer I talked with said nothing about not honoring S-Class pricing, or course I knew more about the car than they did, though the manager did tell me the engine would have 280 Hp. Ford's X-Plan only ommits the Thunderbird, and GM leaves it up to the dealer for the Corvette. The RX-8 is hardly in that price class.

Auto Express says 40,000 yearly production, 1/3 going to the US. 13,333 for the US? I thought they wanted mass production. This could make them very difficult to get. The Mazdaspeed version will be impossible. The dealer told me Mazdaspeed cars are limited to 2000, so it is a limited production model and they don't have to meet emissions.

I know a car isn't all about power and honestly, 237 bhp is probably fine for me, but I'm just stating my disappointment in the changing, or should I say lowering, of the numbers, and continually slipping release date, etc. Mazda started the "Zoom Zoom" commercials, but are they producing? All of their cars seem to be lower powered than competitiors, but better handling. Maybe it should be "Twist Twist" or "Grip Grip" or something.

Regardless, I've been waiting and "holding out" for this car for at least 1year and 4 months. I can't take it much longer, my MX-3 is old, expiring and I really don't want to waste my money on it. Maybe I've set myself up for dissapointment.

Please let us know already Mazda! Please?
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subject:
another article about the RX-8
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
i remember finding another article over at Microsoft auto Japan site so i think i'll post the link to that as welll. if not know exactly what to expect. with all these numbers flying around, isn't hard enough, they say the RX-8 will make 250PS and 22.4 kg-m. they don't mention how much it will weight, which is something i'm still very interested in knowing. i'm hoping for 2700-2800 but i wouldn't be surprised if the curb weight came in at 3000lbs.

the site is in japanesse but you can a VERY rough translation with babelfish.

http://www.carview.co.jp/magazine/recommend/rx_8/default.asp

http://babelfish.altavista.com/
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subject:
bhp
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
no, unfortunately bhp means brake horsepower, or the power dereived right from the engine. that means you loose anywhere between 10 -20% of that by the time you get to the wheels. which means it will probably only be making about 190-213hp at the wheels.
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subject:
Exactly Why
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I've come to realize something... These points you bring up are exactly why Mazda doesn't like anything leaked before hand, it creates confusion, and mis-informaiton.

Mazda is not ready to release the final numbers because they are still working on the car. When they are done, they will be done... and they will release OFFICIAL numbers. Until then, take EVERYTHINK with a grain of salt. Including everything you see here, and in PRINT magazines.
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subject:
Edmunds Review
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Edmunds.com has done a "First Drive" Review on the RX-8. You can find it here: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/firstdrive/78911/article.html
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