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RX-8 Rollout Comments Wanted
Submitted by SuperUser on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:35am

With the proximity of the RX-8 release and the lack of real hard facts on the 8, RotaryNews wants to poll the enthusiast, as to your own personal feelings on how Mazda is releasing this information or lack thereof. We are also very curious to find out, at what major auto-shows do you think Mazda should release/unveil/display the RX-8 production car next year and why?


There was some very vocal disappointment that the RX-8 was not shown at the L.A. Auto-Show and a few other major venues at the beginning of 2002. So, we want to take this opportunity to ask all of you to voice your opinions and comments, please hit the "Add a Comment" link, and post your opinion. Also, check out the poll on the left hand side of the homepage. Your opinion could count!

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subject:
Just make it good
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I wish it was hear today, but since its not I hope Mazda is instilling the car with the magic formula they've used on the Miata and FD (and previous sevens).

This car should be the best handling coupe/sedan you can buy in the $30k-$35k.

I'd rather Mazda spent their money making that happen than with glitzy campaigns. The rotary is a legend. When the car is ready it will be on every car magazine cover on every continent. If the car is as good as we hope the initial frenzy will result in sales.

Also, I hope they at least bring the yellow prototype to the SF Auto Show in November. The car looks pretty cool in pictures, but I'm not sure it is as timeless as the FD or M2 Miata.
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subject:
Rotary Nut
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Hey!
I have down loaded a picture of the RX-8 from Dan's Rotary News web page!
The front of the this beauty looks like it has a big grin on it.
Soooo why not use that grin as part of it's debut against the competition?
Like a commercial with the Zoom-Zoom sound track playing the big grin of the RX-8, and an announcement like watch out Mercedes,Audi,BMW, etc. Here comes the Boss! and at a lower price! as a screen over transparency on TV during the Super Bowl (Like Apple did for the Macintosh!) and on large page ads in popular Magizines. I also agree that up to that time that cameo shots of the RX-8 should be used in Mazda's current advertisements.
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subject:
Content to Wait
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Although I crave information about the RX-8, as I assume does every other Mazda or rotary enthusiast out there, I don't really have a problem with the way Mazda is handling the rollout of the RX-8. I just assume that Mazda has reasons for doing things as they have. For example, as others have suggested, Mazda is rapidly approaching the US debut of the Mazda 6 (Nice car Mazda! Can we PLEASE have the 5 door and the MPS version that was shown at the Paris auto show?), so understandably, Mazda may choose to focus attention on that car.

Also, I'm guessing that the final specs of the RX-8 aren't even knonw yet by Mazda. For example, I haven't seen anything definitive on the RX-8's weight. My guess is that Mazda is still hard at work to ensure that the car weighs as little as possible, given their target price point, and the integrity they hope to maintain in the build/design/materials of the car. It seems to me that many Mazdafiles take pride in the light weight of their sports cars, and I'm guessing that Mazda really wants to build a car that weighs in at under 3,000 lbs -- presumably, that takes some work in a car that seats four adults comfortably.

After the Mazda 6 arrives, and we approach the release of the RX-8 next summer, I'm sure we will hear much more out of Mazda. For now, I'm content to wait patiently while Mazda builds the best car they can. And who knows, once the car finally arrives and we learn all the production details, we may be pleasantly surprised by a car that looks better, weighs less, or has more hp than we expected. Right now nobody knows for sure, maybe not even Mazda.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I have not owned any other sports car but rotary engine sports car. I currently own 90 vert and 93 yelo. I am very disappointed that Mazda is not treating us well. Of all the states, California should be the choice to show the car, but I guess the rotary enthusiasts do not count, media does.

My two cents,

Paul
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subject:
Why is Mazda being shy with the RX8?
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Perhaps Mazda wants their Millenias sold before placing focus on the RX8.
Perhaps Mazda does not want the RX8 to outshine the big "hoopla" they are... trying to
place on the Mazda6. What ever the reason Mazda better start looking at Nissan and Honda
Dealerships to see many possible RX8 buyers purchasing the new Z or the new Accord.
Mazda better get off its can and start placing RX8 ads on TV before they loose more buyers.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I do feel disappointed that the RX-8 has not appeared in more auto shows however giving Mazda the benefit of the doubt, they may have valid reasons that us enthusiats are not aware of such as budget restrictions. I am obviously speculating but we all know the reality of having a limited budget and trying to do our very best under those circumstances. Likely thier primary focus and bulk of money is being spent on successfully putting this car together without a major hitch and using whatever left over money for advertisement,promo,auto shows etc.... We can all be critical and say, well is'nt avertisement extremely important and auto shows are a part of that campaign? Yes but all the advertisement in the world and all the auto shows you can go to will not get you a successfull mechanical,engineering, design launch. Of course we all want to see it, touch it, experience it but patience is required and mother Ford will dole out the advertising dollars when the time is ready.
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subject:
Comment to David
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Good comments David and I like em, How to view the picture?
Tim
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subject:
RX-8 unveil, PR
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I think it is a shame the new Z will be out before the RX8. However I am glad they are taking time to do sufficient testing as I want this to be a reliable car consistent with the high reliability the RX7s and Miata have always shown. I do wish, especially to those of us showing interest and on buying lists, Mazda would make more information available concerning production timelines and car features. I don't mind waiting - but I did make sure I was first on the local dealers' buying list!
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subject:
Mazda RX-8
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I work for Mazda New Zealand.

So were lucky enough to get new Mazda's pretty much straight after Japan.

We are getting the RX-8 here in July 2003 and have a prototype one coming next week :)

If you want anything on the Japanese spec ones.

I can help just drop me a line @

xspurt_rx7@hotmail.com
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subject:
Improvement
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The new set up is great, except the home page. You can't read the text very well. A color scheme change might help.
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subject:
almost enough
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I have to say that I have searched the internet for a year now, read every source I could find in print or the web and for the most part I'm satisfied with what I found. The only real question which I have not found an answer to is the cars weight which was originally projected at 2700lbs but which I think may be ballooning to a porkier and less responsive 2900ibs or more. Any fan of rotary power knows that torque, or lack thereof, is a major issue and this must be combated with a low kerb weight. The final drive ratio and gearing of the six speed needs to be based in the real world. Top speed in 6th gear at 220kph is unrealistic, if this car is my first 6 cogger I want to be able to use all the gears without risk of arrest/execution.

Other than that the car looks bloody marvelous, a real departure from nearly anything else I've ever seen and I can't wait to test drive one.

D
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subject:
no contest
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The nissan 350Z is a relevant rival for the rx8 but the accord, a front wheel drive sedan, has no business in the sentence with two rear wheel drive sportscars.

D
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subject:
sorry but wrong
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
It wasn't the release dates that killed the FD in the US, it was the fact that Mazda lost its ass on warrenties when the car instisted on blowing up and the fact that precious few US dealerships even knew how to fix the thing. The FD is a beautiful car, perhaps one of the most beautiful, but its twin turbo setup left a lot to be desired and its appalling reliability gave rotary engines in general a very poor reputation.

D

Bring on the rx8
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Something nobody seems to have brought up is the fact that the Wankel rotary engine has a notoriously negative image in the American market as being a gas and oil hog, even to this day. Thus, announcing the widespread availability of the RX-8 in mass media, even with the 40/50% less fuel/oil consumption by-line, will almost INSTANTLY kill the American market for it, for no other reason than it has the word "Wankel" in its name.

By keeping the car's internal details secret until the actual product launch, it'll give the RX-8 a much better chance of competing on a level playing field with the 350Z and BMWs. With the exception of entheusiasts, most Americans don't give two hoots about what kind of engine they have under the hood; indeed, as others have pointed out above, most people aren't even aware that RX-7s have rotary engines in them, except for those old enough to remember the RX-4. They just care about performance. So precise details about the RX-8 isn't advertised publically -- that can be a GOOD thing in the long term. As people start to drive their RX-8s, and as they realize their increased performance and longevity over other engine types (and oh what a beautiful sound it makes when properly muffled too!), they'll spread the news via word-of-mouth advertising, bar none the SINGLE best form of advertising you can possibly have. That's what basically sold the 1st generation RX-7s after all.

The reason Mazda can't make a hard claim of 250HP for the engine is because of the US government's heightening emissions standards (especially in California). As the need for emissions standards increases, more and more post-processing equipment must be added to the engine subsystem, which of course will reduce power. 250HP is a nice target power to strive for, but even if they come "close" (e.g., 220HP), I think they still did a great job. After all, the 13B-RE (the core of the 13B-REW without the twin turbos) is only 175HP. A 175HP to 220HP jump represents a 20.5% improvement in horsepower using nothing but natural aspiration. That's doggone good if you ask me, especially since a turbocharger will easily add another 30% to that figure. It's also quite possible that it'll be 250HP in most states except those, like California, which have high emissions standards.

All things considered, I think Mazda is handling this in a more mature manner than they've ever done in the past. Whether or not its the right thing to do remains to be seen; however, it's clear that their strategically placed leaks all have you guys *HOOKED* and in utter withdrawl for new RX-8 information, which means they've grabbed the attention of the entheusiasts. But, entheusiasts alone don't make a car profitable for a company (the withdrawl of the RX-7 3rd generation from the American market proves that nicely). They want to sell the RX-8 to a HUGE audience, not just Wankelites. That means they must approach the layman, and in terms they can understand. "It's fast, it's powerful, and it has four doors, and a huge trunk you can pack your golf clubs in with ease." That's what gets their attention. Not, "It's got an engine with only 3 moving parts, has a power band from 3000 to 9000RPM, and redlines at 10KRPM." You say that to the average potential buyer, and they'll just cock an eyebrow at you and say, "Huh?"

Remember also that the RX-8 and the Mazda 6 both share technology (for the first time since the 2nd generation RX-7 and the 626). Improving the market for the 6 will have beneficial effects for the 8 as well. One of the critical failures of the 3rd generation 7 was its abhorently high price compared to its predecessors, all coming from technology which largely was original and exclusive to the 3rd gen, and not shared with any other Mazda car. I've seen some copy which claims the 8 will also serve as the foundation for the fourth generation RX-7 as well (which is as I'd expect; the RX-01 and the RX-Evolve actually share a common substrate of technology). If this is true, then the success of the Mazda 6 will also have an impact on any 4th generation 7 as well. As others have so clearly elucidated elsewhere on this page, "price, price, price!"
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subject:
RX8
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
Saw the RX8 at the sydney motor show on the weekend. Beautiful...pictures dont do justice to this car. In the flesh it sits very low and has a great road presence. I was sketical before, but now am convinced this car will be great!
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subject:
rumours
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
With the RX8 release soon, is there any truth to the rumours about the RX7 prototype based on the RX01 being shown next year. I have also heard rumours (newspapers) that the MX5 may come out with the new rotary engine as an option? heres hoping.
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subject:
No title supplied
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
The problem is, if every other car it's competing against can do 220kph in 5th or 6th gear, then so should the RX-8. The 8 isn't competing with the cars the Miata's competing with. It's going into the high-end BMW and Mercedes market.

As far as engine torque are concerned, torque is an illusion. Many people expect a rotary to behave exactly as a piston engine car, and shift way, way too low to get any useful power out of the engine. From high-school physics, power is torque times angular velocity, and from pure experience, rotaries love to spin fast. Thus, learning to shift at different points in a rotary car can prove extremely worthwhile. I routinely shift at 4000 and 5000 RPM in my 1st gen RX-7 (6000RPM when I need to get out of the way of a high-mass vehicle like an 18-wheeler on the freeway!), and find that it actually does NOT adversely affect my gas milage, as so many others have claimed it would, except for when I utterly floor it.

Another thing most people expect from the rotaries is if you stomp on the pedal, it will instantaneously accelerate. I used to do this when I first got my car. I found through experience that this wasn't true; I have to "roll on" the gas (e.g., as the engine spins up, give it more gas; I later found out that this is an actual technique used in race car driving). Doing this has easily cut my fuel consumption back to 17MPG/24MPG city/freeway, respectively, regardless of how hard I drive the car. I also "roll off" the gas when decelerating. I find backfiring to be greatly reduced when doing this, and gives a much smoother ride. With practice, you'll eventually be able to match the "natural" rate of engine-braking. Toe-and-heeling is another technique that, with practice, can result in a substantially smoother ride, with less wear on the car.

I've also won my fair share of street races with other types of cars, ranging from Hondas of all shapes, sizes, and model years, to V6-powered Mustangs. How in the world can I beat a Mustang you ask? Simple -- I knew when to shift my car, and the Mustang driver didn't. I don't consider it a fair victory though; had the driver had any driving sense about him, I should have been *stomped on* by the Mustang (and I usually am). But, a victory is a victory, and goes to show driver skill is every bit as important as what's under the hood.

So, to recap and summarize, learning the shift-points of your car is vital to good performance and gas milage. Rotaries prefer higher shift points, which makes sense considering their geometries and operating characteristics. And with the 13B's vastly widened power band, I think you'll find that low-end torque will be substantially improved while retaining the capabilities of high-end shifting.
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subject:
A TRUW DRUMMER
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
HI, i just wanted say i have a 85' RX - 7 I want to see the RX - 8 in my hometown of VA. Thank u and jist show the freaking car where eva ppl want to see it
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subject:
The RX-8 will bring more Rotary Powered Vehicles
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
I feel that the Mazda RX-8 will be in elemental car in bringing back the fabled rotary. How in love we are with this engine and yet the engines we are so in love with are at least six years old. The advancement of technology should bring the rotary back, still providing the performance and passion that has kept us interested in the car, yet making it more affordable for the masses. When the sports car purist ditests the notion of Mazda marketing a four-passenger rotary powered "sports-car", I think back to the 1960's when automobile companies planned that the rotary would be the replacement for the piston driven engine.Yes, think about it, rotary powered SUV's and minivans. Long live the rotary and I can't wait to be able to go to a dealership and purchase different kinds of vehicles powered by rotary engines.
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subject:
bob bilton
author:
No Rotor
date:
December 31, 1969 - 4:00pm
What we have seen is a succession of concept RX8s, each moving towards the final production model.
Mazda needs to finalise styling and spacificiations before the production RX8 is shown too widely.
I am sure they will give the car plently of exposure when the car that people can buy is ready. I think the company has been brave in "exposing" the RX8 so far from launch. If it was not a new concept of sporting 4 door, such a long lead exposure could be commercially risky.
Patience will be rewarded.
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